What can you do to a canoe that you can't with a Kayak/C1 ?

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What can you do to a canoe that you can't with a Kayak/C1 ?

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Within reason... one can change the shape, stability, flare, sharpness or alter the general performance and way a canoe paddles simply by altering the position/width of it's thwarts and it's sheer line ... with a kayak or C1 for the most part... what you buy is generally what you get.... there's nothing for you to tinker with there folks... so sorry... move along. Granted there are limitations and we can only go just so far but personally speaking... I just love doing it.

The first time I heard about people modifying the Viper and Ocoee I thought to myself "Why the heck would anyone want to cut down the bow and stern of their Ocoee and pull in the thwarts... this boat is great as it is... isn't it?" Then I saw one that had been altered on the cover of a Dagger catalog... "WOW" would be an understatement. http://www.dagger.com/content/dagger.co ... G%2097.pdf (cover & page 15) Not long after my friend Craig Reidner chopped up his own... radically. Craig cut his almost flat from the center and pulled it in about 4 inches... I paddled it... "HOLY poop" it was insane but Craig weighed about 30lbs less than me and was by all accounts a phenomenal boater. Next... Dewey Ewers aqquired one of Mike Yee's used R-light Ocoee's... apparently the Canadians had done this a few times because that boat was nearly the perfect balance between Craig's and my stock boat. Two days later I secured a set of used gunnels, some stainless screws and I proceeded to rip the vinyl rails off my Ocoee in short order, I chopped it down an inch in the bow and two in the stern... cut the thwarts precisely with the same hack saw I used to cut the ends down and borrowed a belt sander from a neighbor to clean up the excess plastic above the wood. I took the larger deck plates off my old Genesis then cut (hack saw again) and belt sanded them up to fit the new Ocoee because I knew it was going to be a bit wetter ride under certain conditions. Day one in that boat and for the next two years for me was purely nirvana. I paddled it in high water, low water and literally wore the thing out... the foam core on the edges was exposed for a good eight to ten inches on both sides on the chines. Then the SuperFly came out. Even though I loved the new direction that canoes were moving and even though I had this "new" style of canoe... I saved up as much money as I could over the winter ordered a brand new wood trimmed yellow Ocoee that would arrive in spring. The boat came... I outfitted it and paddled it for about a week... and proceeded to chop it up like my old boat. It was close... but it wasn't the same... plus the SpanishFly had just come out and I was broke... I sold the Ocoee and a few other boats... I just didn't need them any longer.

Years passed... time went on... every now and then I tried a new canoe but nothing really ever felt right for me... nothing. Fast forward to last year... and OH JOY... a boat we had just completed for the masses that once again I could 'tinker' with. Don't get me wrong here... I still paddle my more 'stock' boat if I feel I want to be in the most stable and dry boat I can feel confident in or if someone wants to try one out... but if I know it's going to be a day of zipping around the river and having more fun than just getting down something... the initial tweaked version we did comes directly off the roof racks.

So here we are with tweaked version #2 of this boat for me. With this one I only slightly altered the width in the middle of the boat but put in two additional thwarts between the center and bow/stern thwarts to gain more control of adjustment in the shape of them. I kept a bit more flare and looseness at the bow but pulled the stern in more aggressively to sharpen the chine/edge. When removing the top of the boat (this hull came decked) I cut it down so I would end up with 16" of depth in the center and then removed in a gradual sweep upwards 3/4" in the bow and just over an 1" in the stern.

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In closing... no... this modified boat or many previously like it is not the way boats should come from the factory in my opinion... but it doesn't mean people can't and shouldn't tinker with their own boats as they see fit if they want to change certain attributes about it... which clearly one can.

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Cool looking, would love to paddle it!
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  • (looks like the finished product has finally arrived)
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    Did you tinker with a lot of spray paint too or is it really Black plastic? future color? Very good looking boat especially with the dark wood.
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    Beauty, Eh!

    (Trex, in another thread, Craig mentioned that they did 2 of them in black. Would like to see more colors out there for sure!)
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    Ok thanks, I missed that thread. Sure is good looking with the color and mods. That boat is just calling to me. :)
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    btw... there's some other cool old stuff in here if you were around during the heyday of Dagger Canoes... not sure how I found this page exactly but I'm glad I bookmarked it.

    http://www.dagger.com/pages/index/custo ... d_catalogs

    still trying to find the shot of Frankie Hubbard in a Dagger catalog or advertisement with him in a modified Ocoee. oh well... the search goes on. :-?
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    cut-down R-light Ocoee... yes these are quite rare.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUjH4O1UD4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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    Craig Smerda wrote:Here's Jim Little in a cut-down R-light Ocoee... yes these are quite rare.
    Don't think that's Jim, bro!

    Jim's all in Steep Creekin', but pretty sure that's ... um... someone else :-?
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    eddyhops wrote:
    Craig Smerda wrote:Here's Jim Little in a cut-down R-light Ocoee... yes these are quite rare.
    Don't think that's Jim, bro!

    Jim's all in Steep Creekin', but pretty sure that's ... um... someone else :-?
    I recall Jim's skeleton pfd... maybe I'll have to ask/confirm with Mark that it's him... but the boat's still rare. :lol:
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    Craig Smerda wrote: but the boat's still rare. :lol:
    Yeah and the glide it seems to have catching this wave is rather impressive... :o
    Watch out; that river has rocks on the bottom. :o
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    I know of three of them that I've laid my eyes on... all Teal colored.

    Mike Yee (Dewey has it)
    Wayne Dickert
    This one ?

    That's about it... not exactly sure how many they made... much like the Rival it was a pain to get patches to adhere to the inside and many delam'd... StaBond was the only thing that seemed to work... for a while at least.

    If memory serves they were a good 4-5lbs lighter than the "old Royalex" as a bare hull. I think the newer RX they use these days is lighter... but by how much per square foot I have no clue.
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    marclamenace wrote:
    Craig Smerda wrote: but the boat's still rare. :lol:
    Yeah and the glide it seems to have catching this wave is rather impressive... :o
    Quite the back ferry!
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    looks like Homey to me....
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      Craig Smerda wrote:
      eddyhops wrote:
      Craig Smerda wrote:Here's Jim Little in a cut-down R-light Ocoee... yes these are quite rare.
      Don't think that's Jim, bro!

      Jim's all in Steep Creekin', but pretty sure that's ... um... someone else :-?
      I recall Jim's skeleton pfd... maybe I'll have to ask/confirm with Mark that it's him... but the boat's still rare. :lol:
      Cumnock said that it is Frankie in the cut down Ocoee in that film ... he made that back ferry look effortless
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