Play Full C1 Conversions?

summer · Post by **summer** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:01 am

I have only paddled an Atom and Cascade but tried out a Mr. Clean conversion at the pool this week. It was a very play full boat, easy to start bow stalls and with practice I thought I could get it to do bow stalls and even cartwheels. So I am now seeking advice on kayaks to convert that are more play full. I weight about 200 lbs, 6’ and have big legs. Hoping there are some recommended older designs like a Medieval, Big EZ, Super EZ Or Honcho so I can pick one up at an attractive price.

Sir Adam · Post by **Sir Adam** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:22 pm

More knowledgable folks than I will hopefully chime in on conversions, but you may want to check out the following:
-Score
-Big EZ and Super EZ, as you mentioned
-ForPlay (if you're up for a "lower volume" boat for your weight).

Searching on any of those boats should turn up a lot of info and opinions on them.

Craig Smerda · Post by **Craig Smerda** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:04 pm

For conversion... Large Fluid Flirt. http://fluidkayaks.co.za/Whitewater_L_Flirt.htm

Mike W. · Post by **Mike W.** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:23 am

These days I'm ~195 & counting

Wavesport uses big cockpit opennings which are great for getting out of the boat. The Super EZ has a huge opening. I've got both a Big EZ & a Forplay.

I love my Big EZ for play. It's great on a steep wave. This boat loves to carve. It has enough bow rocker to keep it from pearling on those steep waves too. Stern squirts are effortless. A couple of quick forward strokes & a weight throw will stand it up on the bow in flatwater. The drawback is that it's slow. At my skill level I wouldn't paddle it on anything harder than the Ocoee.

I've got some photos here:
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/wh20crazy/a ... 2349974946

I've changed the outfitting since the photos were taken. It now reflects my Forplay outfitting:
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/wh20crazy/a ... 2349975259

Lame video here:
http://www.americanwhitewater.org/photo ... /14023.mov

The Forplay will surf waves that are not steep enough to hold the Big EZ. I'm guessing this is due to the ~foot of extra length & not having as much rocker. It does not carve as well as the Big EZ, but it spins better. It's the best back-surfing boat I've tried. You have to keep it moving on a steep wave so that it won't pearl out. If it does pearl out, go with it. It shoots WAY up in the air & I can usually spin it around & land vertically on the stern

The ends are slicey but not wingy. You can squirt it but it's kind of forced, not finessed. I have to be careful of my tilt on ferries since the bow kind of wants to dive.

Of the two, I'd recomend the Big EZ.

Post by **sbroam** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:06 am

The Score is the bigger version of the Foreplay - faster, more buoyant, but still quite squirtable with your weight and height. Search on that in this forum for more lengthy commentary. I love mine, it's as short a boat as I want.

Paddle Power · Post by **Paddle Power** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:17 am

good suggestions,

Big EZ, Super EZ, and Large Fluid Flirt.

i'm not a fan of the ForPlay or Score.

summer · Post by **summer** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:13 am

After reading the replies I was focusing on a Big or Super EZ but I have found a Session+ for a good price. My concern is the 24.4" width over the 26" to 27" width of the EZs. At 200 lbs will the Session+ be a lot more unstable than the EZs?

Mike W. · Post by **Mike W.** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:22 am

I've tried a Session, but not the +. I found it a little tippier than the Big EZ. The bow looks weird when you're surfing. Don't open your mouth when surfing. If it pearls, the water hits the knee area & shoots straight up into your mouth. It surfs real nicely & despite the shorter length, it's no slower than the Big EZ.

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Play Full C1 Conversions?

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