First time for me installing foot braces in foam bulkhead. Any do's and/or don't's?
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Installing foot braces - any helpful advice?
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Re: Installing foot braces - any helpful advice?
Are you mounting Yakima style adjustable foot braces?
If so, you could buy this kit from Mohawk if you are so inclined:
http://mohawkcanoes.com/products/rods-foot-braces/#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The tapped aluminum tubes are nice because they allow you to secure the foot brace rails using stainless steel machine screws, the heads of which will fit down inside the notched rails of the foot braces.
Being a cheapskate, I usually buy threaded stainless steel rod from the local hardware store. The mounting holes in the Yakima rails are usually tapped and I have been able to find rod with the proper thread to fit. You can secure the rail on one side by threading the rod through and then peening the end of the rods with a ball-peen hammer so that they won't unscrew from the rails. The other end I secure with stainless steel locknuts and washers. The problem is the nuts will not fit down inside the notched rails unless you hacksaw off the last notch or two. I usually find a nylon cylindrical spacer that will slip down over the threaded rod between the notched rails and put the washer and nut over that.
If you just push the threaded nylon rod through the minicell foam it is narrow enough diameter that it will cut through the foam over time and the whole rail will move backwards from the force of your feet pressing. I get around that by using some narrow diameter PVC pipe. The end of the PVC pipe can be beveled with a file and then simply pushed through the saddle. The threaded rod then goes through the pipe. The PVC pipe is large enough diameter that it won't cut through.
Routing a channel in the foam just deep enough for the rails to fit in, but not so deep as to interfere with the foot pads, also helps keep the rail in place.
And don't give me any crap about peening the ends of the rods.
If so, you could buy this kit from Mohawk if you are so inclined:
http://mohawkcanoes.com/products/rods-foot-braces/#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The tapped aluminum tubes are nice because they allow you to secure the foot brace rails using stainless steel machine screws, the heads of which will fit down inside the notched rails of the foot braces.
Being a cheapskate, I usually buy threaded stainless steel rod from the local hardware store. The mounting holes in the Yakima rails are usually tapped and I have been able to find rod with the proper thread to fit. You can secure the rail on one side by threading the rod through and then peening the end of the rods with a ball-peen hammer so that they won't unscrew from the rails. The other end I secure with stainless steel locknuts and washers. The problem is the nuts will not fit down inside the notched rails unless you hacksaw off the last notch or two. I usually find a nylon cylindrical spacer that will slip down over the threaded rod between the notched rails and put the washer and nut over that.
If you just push the threaded nylon rod through the minicell foam it is narrow enough diameter that it will cut through the foam over time and the whole rail will move backwards from the force of your feet pressing. I get around that by using some narrow diameter PVC pipe. The end of the PVC pipe can be beveled with a file and then simply pushed through the saddle. The threaded rod then goes through the pipe. The PVC pipe is large enough diameter that it won't cut through.
Routing a channel in the foam just deep enough for the rails to fit in, but not so deep as to interfere with the foot pads, also helps keep the rail in place.
And don't give me any crap about peening the ends of the rods.
Re: Installing foot braces - any helpful advice?
Yes, I have the kit. Is there an ideal height to mount the braces?
Re: Installing foot braces - any helpful advice?
Yep! Make sure you take into account some mini cell on the floor under them then raise pegs about 1.5" above that so I can get my toes under them.
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Re: Installing foot braces - any helpful advice?
Mounting the rails so that the very bottom of the foot pad is 1.5-2" above the bottom of the foam pedestal is common. Depends on whether you like to point your feet so that your toes stick underneath the pad or not.
Be aware of one possible pitfall: the bottom of some hulls are so concave that it might seem that there is plenty of clearance judging by the distance between the bottom of the pedestal and the foot pad. But if the hull bottom curves up very sharply, the end of the foot pad, which sticks out several inches from the side of the pedestal, could actually scrape the hull bottom, or wind up lower than you would like.
Be aware of one possible pitfall: the bottom of some hulls are so concave that it might seem that there is plenty of clearance judging by the distance between the bottom of the pedestal and the foot pad. But if the hull bottom curves up very sharply, the end of the foot pad, which sticks out several inches from the side of the pedestal, could actually scrape the hull bottom, or wind up lower than you would like.
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Re: Installing foot braces - any helpful advice?
Al, my standard for building saddles is 1" of clearance between the hull and the bottom of the foot pad. I do offer customization on this though, as some folks want less, and some folks want more clearance.
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Re: Installing foot braces - any helpful advice?
You don't, that's how !
Seriously though, just put in thigh straps. way less strain on ankles and knees and a way more secure fit to boot.
TGG!
Seriously though, just put in thigh straps. way less strain on ankles and knees and a way more secure fit to boot.
TGG!
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