C-1 Roll Help Needed

PorkChop · Post by **PorkChop** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:14 am

I have run an OC-1 and OC-2s for years, but recently picked up a Pyranha Burn C-1 conversion. The boat feels great and I am amazed at how stable it is and it really likes to surf etc. I never could get the hang of rolling my Rival, not that I tried really hard as I found the boat pretty unwieldy when half full of water. Nonetheless I am having trouble rolling the C-1 and thought that I would solicit some advice from people in the know. I have read that lots of folks like the C-1 Challenge video but I can't find it in any other format than VHS. I have searched the web trying to find some on-line content and found some dead links in this forum but haven't been able to find anything overly useful on the web or on a DVD. Could someone point me to some on-line content that could help me get the hang of this concept or a vendor that sells a DVD that would be helpful, particularly with underwater shots?

Also, I am occasionally getting my feet hung up in what feels like the area between the bulkhead and the pedestal when doing a wet exit. I could shave it down a bit on the sides but am concerned that might make the seat less comfortable, but this boat was rigged up by a seasoned professional and I think it more likely that I am just so new to this that I am doing something wrong. I tend to come out and back flip to the surface, which probably isn’t the best way to go about that, but the buoyancy factor tends to want to take me that direction. I surely would not want this to happen in current, as it would probably injure my ankle. Any suggestions anyone would like to share would be greatly appreciated.

billcanoes · Post by **billcanoes** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:27 am

Can you make it to the Open Boat Nationals at NOC 8/18-8/20 I'd be glad to spend some time with you.

Bill
billcanoes@yahoo.com

http://members.lycos.co.uk/canadianrivers/id19.htm
I just checked this and it still works

I also have a c1 roll video 6291kb if your mail will handle it-it's what I used to learn to roll.

ghetto johnny · Post by **ghetto johnny** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:52 pm

Pork chop,
have you talked to Bernie in Dayton @ The Whitwater Warehouse
what kind of shoes are you wearing?
i recently had the same problem when i had punch out of the boat,
i was wearing some NRS desperado sock/shoes , so i switched over to a neoprene sock ann carryied some sandals in the boat, clipped in

Bill, could you send me a copy of the video
i can always use some more help and refrences
thanks for the help
john c.
cincy,ohio

ghettojohnny2000@yahoo.com

Larry Horne · Post by **Larry Horne** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:59 pm

it IS tough to get out of a boat if you don't get out ALL THE WAY before coming to the surface. your legs and feet gotta come out pretty straight.
the wider your saddle is, the straighter they gotta come out, and the tougher it is to get out.
i like the way dagger pedestals are shaped..they narrow down to 3" right behind your butt, where your feet rest, allowing more wiggle room. it also allows you to get your feet close together which, for me, is more comfortable and feels more secure. the drakkar pedestal, on the other hand, remains wide all the way back, and is much tougher to get out of. i have to paddle the wheelboy barefoot because of the STUPID c1 size cocpit combined with the wide pedestal. i pray i never have to wet exit from that thing..(why are they clinging to these tiny cockpits??? it's frickin' 2006!)
so any ways.. i don't know what your's looks like, but if your saddle is foam and it's wide, you can probably make it safer without wrecking it by carving the sides down behind your butt. i did say probably

can't help much with the roll, i'm a self tought hack.

Tie Dye Surfin Guy · Post by **Tie Dye Surfin Guy** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:17 am

I think that probably the most important thing I learned when learning to roll was proper low brace technique. When I finally got it, it was because I finally got my body positioned square to the water (chest perpendicular to the center line of the boat). Combined that with a little C to C hip action, and I popped right up. (Found out that my so called low brace wasn't much more than a paddle slapping the water, and not very freakin' effective)

Tiggy · Post by **Tiggy** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:59 pm

Snap hips, this should really do it, hands on paddle like doing a push up, other way you risk injury, sweep head low across deck.
Thats it. Keep your head low, low. Its all in head/hips. It is like 2 motions not one, but it looks like one. Snap hips then do your low brace. Make sure you take time to set up, it pays.