Zephyr or Paradigm

philinasheville · Post by **philinasheville** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:04 pm

I just put a deposit on a Zephyr and need some advice. I've paddled one once and loved it. I've also paddled an Ocoee several times and loved that boat as well. Should I consider trying a Paradigm prior to making this purchase?

I'm 5'9 185lbs

Thanks!
-phil

ChrisKelly · Post by **ChrisKelly** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:59 pm

What do you want to do with the boat?

philinasheville · Post by **philinasheville** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:01 pm

I'll paddle rivers like, Tellico, Ocoee, French Broad, Nolichucky, Big Laurel, Wilson, ect... Class 3-4 rivers and even some creeks.

Post by **sbroam** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:47 pm

I have a Zephyr and have had the pleasure of paddling it 5-6 times before the D-rings blew out (the old glue, haven't built a bulkhead yet) and love it. To me it is not the most aggressive boat around, but forgiving - I feel comfortable trying harder moves in it. I've paddled a number of the rivers you mentioned (in a Mohawk Viper) - I would feel very comfortable running them in this boat. [If I can ever get away, I will run them...] Despite my D-ring failure (the new glue corrects that I hear), I am sold on the material - light and strong.

I have no experience with the Paradigm nor any particular opinion on its design.

Randy Dodson · Post by **Randy Dodson** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:09 am

sbroam wrote: To me it is not the most aggressive boat around, but forgiving - I feel comfortable trying harder moves in it. .

Do you think that an Ocoee or a Solito is a more aggressive boat?

I paddled a Zephyr about 3 miles of class II plus and surfed it quite a bit Wednesday, and really liked it. It's been so long since I paddled an Ocoee I can't remember how it would compare.

Swimmer · Post by **Swimmer** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:54 pm

I am 250lbs+- per season. Anyone near my girth paddled this boat? How does it react to the weight?

Post by **sbroam** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:26 pm

Randy -

Can't compare to a Solito as I never paddled one and it's been a long time since I hopped in an Ocoee. But, I'd say it is comparable to the Ocoee, but not as edgy. Very similar feel to the Viper 12 (but shorter), similar edge (less? maybe not). [I remember folks saying the Viper 11 was a bit different than the 12, never tried the 11]

Swimmer -
As for weight, I'm about 220# and it handles me fine. Hard to say how much reserve it has - you'd be welcome to try mine if our paths cross. I'm in SC and hope to make the canoe shindig in TN.

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:58 am

we might have one of each there

msims · Post by **msims** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:50 pm

Swimmer,

I paddled the nitro at 240#s and because of the double chines, the hull is quite narrow, it sinks quite a bit... you might want something with a softer chine, zypher would be a good candidate...IMHO - I havent paddled one yet but hopefully this spring summer...

As your weight goes up you sink, making your a lot more vulnerable to side currents if you're not on with your edging - if 6" of your boat is upstream on current and the chine is hard you'll windowshade pretty quick. If you have a softer chine, maybe not as quick.. and might be able to counter a little more..

philinasheville · Post by **philinasheville** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:09 pm

I decided to just go ahead and buy the Zephyr. I did get to see a Paradigm at NOC on saturday. It looks exactly like a cross between an Ovation & Phantom, neither of which I care for. I'm sure that it may have some differences. The green color is a lot better in person. I actually think its a cool color.

Either way I'm glad to be the proud new owner of a Zephyr!

-phil

beereddy · Post by **beereddy** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:21 pm

And immediately change straps to bulkhead

philinasheville · Post by **philinasheville** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:28 pm

I actually bought it outfitted with the bulkhead! It was an option.

-phil

kanur · Post by **kanur** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:13 am

Congrats on the new boat, it looks like a fun one.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:04 pm

Check out Bob`s comments on boats and the industry in general:
http://www.bobfoote.com/bob/bobesquifrealationship.htm

philinasheville · Post by **philinasheville** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:24 pm

Good article. I wish I could have tried one out. It sounds to me like the boat is a lot different from an Ovation & Phantom.

I will be very interested to hear what people think about the Paradigm here in the near future.

-phil

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