boating with k1-ers
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CrazyRiver
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boating with k1-ers
yeah, everyone i boat with are yakkers. Its kind of hard to progress quickly because they do everything (it seems) backward from the way i do, plus they give me ____ all the time for the single blade. Anyone else have this problem? (trying to learn to roll from a yakker is well difficult, but it works, my roll is nothing like theirs but somehow what they said made something click)
Yeahp
I was always paddlein with yakers as i was very agressive learning in OC-1 and then in C-2. It made me a better boater cause they wouldn,t baby me. I learned to roll or self rescue , even eddy turn on a freakin dime with out hitting the K boater that was already in the eddy. Also they often let me lead as i can see better and hey if the C boater gets trashed , don,t go there. JIM
Battle royale....
<i>plus they give me ____ all the time for the single blade.</i>
You're experiencing nothing new. Just point out that if they work hard enough and gain skill, they'll no longer need two blades to do the job of one.
Phreon
You're experiencing nothing new. Just point out that if they work hard enough and gain skill, they'll no longer need two blades to do the job of one.
Phreon
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bamaboater
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I still have yet to paddle with another OC or C1. I got two of my buttboater buddies to sit in my boat the other day on a flat section of the ocoee. they both were amazed at how I can sit in my OC and even roll for that matter.
If it were easy, it'd be called kayaking and everyone would be doing it.
If it were easy, it'd be called kayaking and everyone would be doing it.
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bamaboater
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sorry, wasn't trying to give the impression that I don't like kayakers.
they've saved me and my gear too many times to think about when I was first getting started.
actually boating with kayakers will bring your skillz way up by following their lines and grabbing eddies that seem too small for a cboat to get in. i've learned alot about my paddling style by being in a group of yakers.
that being said, I'm not going to try kayaking though.
they've saved me and my gear too many times to think about when I was first getting started.
actually boating with kayakers will bring your skillz way up by following their lines and grabbing eddies that seem too small for a cboat to get in. i've learned alot about my paddling style by being in a group of yakers.
that being said, I'm not going to try kayaking though.
I only paddle with yakers.
Got no other C buddies in my crew.
Hence my transition to C1 from OC1 about 5 years ago. Watching all my friends playboat, while i surfed a few times & went to shore to empty my boat every time got very frustrating. Now i only bring the OC when im paddling with fellow open boaters.
Got no other C buddies in my crew.
Hence my transition to C1 from OC1 about 5 years ago. Watching all my friends playboat, while i surfed a few times & went to shore to empty my boat every time got very frustrating. Now i only bring the OC when im paddling with fellow open boaters.
Yakkers seem to be able to build up momentum in just a few strokes, so it's more common to see them just floating into a rapid with the current and then making very last minute moves. (Good luck taking this approach in an open boat.) I've found that learning unfamiliar lines from kayakers requires me to stay further back, to see their moves and react earlier than they did, and also to prevent running up on them when carrying momentum through the rapid.bamaboater wrote:actually boating with kayakers will bring your skillz way up by following their lines and grabbing eddies that seem too small for a cboat to get in. i've learned alot about my paddling style by being in a group of yakers.
funny you say that ...
... all my buddies (read kayakers) say the opposite, they tell everybody not to follow the canoe too close, he can go anywhere
with all that leverage... one stroke or a spin and you leave'em wondering how'd he do that
Bama sounds like you are boating with a good enough crew, that they are simply making hard things look easy .... That's a good crowd to be with!!!!!!
... all my buddies (read kayakers) say the opposite, they tell everybody not to follow the canoe too close, he can go anywhere
with all that leverage... one stroke or a spin and you leave'em wondering how'd he do that
Bama sounds like you are boating with a good enough crew, that they are simply making hard things look easy .... That's a good crowd to be with!!!!!!
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John Coraor
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Although seemingly contradictory, I'll second both of the observations made in the last two posts. In many ways they summarize the primary hidden differences in the way kayaks and canoes tend to run rapids.
There are many times that I've followed kayaks down a rapid only to find myself cursing them when they either float, or worse, take a few back ferry strokes at the lip of the rapid just to gain a few more seconds to scout out the line. As our greater height automatically gives us a better view downstream, we don't usually need as much last minute delay before committing to our line, which also partly explains the second observation. Kayaks are sometimes taken by surprise following a C-boat closely because they don't have the same elevated viewpoint to see and anticipate the line taken by the C-boater, a tendency that is enhanced by a C-boat's ability to use stroke leverage, pivots, etc. to quickly change direction - all of which are advantages that aren't available to butt boaters.
There are many times that I've followed kayaks down a rapid only to find myself cursing them when they either float, or worse, take a few back ferry strokes at the lip of the rapid just to gain a few more seconds to scout out the line. As our greater height automatically gives us a better view downstream, we don't usually need as much last minute delay before committing to our line, which also partly explains the second observation. Kayaks are sometimes taken by surprise following a C-boat closely because they don't have the same elevated viewpoint to see and anticipate the line taken by the C-boater, a tendency that is enhanced by a C-boat's ability to use stroke leverage, pivots, etc. to quickly change direction - all of which are advantages that aren't available to butt boaters.
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bamaboater
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Phil,
I do have a couple solid, very solid, Kboaters that I've been running with since '00. With so many good creek runs within 1-2 hrs of NW GA, it's hard not to become a decent paddler when you're taking their word for it that "you'll be fine, you're ready to take the next step up."
famous last words, there.
like I said, I've relied on the kboaters so many times and they've relied on me for many a good laugh watching my butt swimming.
need to meet up sometime and paddle something in btw us if Alabama ever gets a decent creek up ever again.
I do have a couple solid, very solid, Kboaters that I've been running with since '00. With so many good creek runs within 1-2 hrs of NW GA, it's hard not to become a decent paddler when you're taking their word for it that "you'll be fine, you're ready to take the next step up."
famous last words, there.
like I said, I've relied on the kboaters so many times and they've relied on me for many a good laugh watching my butt swimming.
need to meet up sometime and paddle something in btw us if Alabama ever gets a decent creek up ever again.
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oregonmatt
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I've boated with nothing but kayakers for years out here. I always make it clear to them when running hard runs that i stop to scout things i can't see b/c backferrying at the lip of blind drops just doesn't work for me in a c-boat. However, i've always loved watching my kayaking friends try to run drops blind only to end up in a big backender/nose-cruching rock encounter/uncontrolled cartwheels when I have a clean, dry run after a quick scout.
that said, i also kayak as well as c-boat, and enjoy it quite a bit. I still scout though even when kayaking - backferrying at the lip of a blind drop doesn't help if you are at the lip of a riverwide hole or big sieve....
that said, i also kayak as well as c-boat, and enjoy it quite a bit. I still scout though even when kayaking - backferrying at the lip of a blind drop doesn't help if you are at the lip of a riverwide hole or big sieve....
man, whoever doubts the technical virtuosity of the C1 should check out this race clip and compare it to the K1 turns at the same event...
http://kayak-adventures.org/VG-racing_1.shtml
http://kayak-adventures.org/VG-racing_1.shtml
boatin
Three kayaker friends and I, in the throes of drink, planned a run down Little Falls of the Potomac during which they would all paddle C-1 to see if they could get down without flipping. Two of them are class V kayakers and one is a class IV kayaker.
A few days ago I took the class IV guy down the easy route (class II) of Little Falls in C-1 to practice. He did okay, and he's even developing a decent C-1 roll in the Atom.
Of course, when we all get together and do this for real, I'm going to make them take the class III route . . .
I'm definitely going to take video, too!
Alden
A few days ago I took the class IV guy down the easy route (class II) of Little Falls in C-1 to practice. He did okay, and he's even developing a decent C-1 roll in the Atom.
Of course, when we all get together and do this for real, I'm going to make them take the class III route . . .
I'm definitely going to take video, too!
Alden