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Thanks for sharing Joe.
Not knowing the rapid, your footwear or whatever other details contributed to the entrapment (and of course the getting loose!), it's hard to to get much specific learning from your experience. Hopefully Louie hadn't told you it was OK to stand up in the river!
It sounds like you're saying that not running that rapid on that day would've been the best avoidance, rather than anything particular about your swim. As valuable as it it is to learn for next time, don't dwell too much on the hindsight. It was what it was, and move on. Thanks for sharing your perspective on the day.
I was part of close-call foot-entrapment rescue last year, which we shared widely, and these lucky incidents are good reminders of so many things.
Glad you're OK.
PY.
Not knowing the rapid, your footwear or whatever other details contributed to the entrapment (and of course the getting loose!), it's hard to to get much specific learning from your experience. Hopefully Louie hadn't told you it was OK to stand up in the river!
It sounds like you're saying that not running that rapid on that day would've been the best avoidance, rather than anything particular about your swim. As valuable as it it is to learn for next time, don't dwell too much on the hindsight. It was what it was, and move on. Thanks for sharing your perspective on the day.
I was part of close-call foot-entrapment rescue last year, which we shared widely, and these lucky incidents are good reminders of so many things.
Glad you're OK.
PY.
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Louie
Yes I told him to stand up in the river and it keep him from bein drug over a lot of cheese grater rock on more than one occation that day. If he had stood up before the rapid stood him up and then pushed him forward we wouldn't even be havein this conversation. As he went over the first part of the drop, feet first on his back with his feet up he droped right in between the two drop and was stood up by the drop and his position, the amazing thing is both his shins didn't get broke as he was pushed forward.
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Please call anytime you are out this way, we have extra boats and gear if you don't have any with you. Personally we are into big gradient and low flows. I like high flows.....if I am in a raft.
You see I can see me flush drownin on a big volume river, but I think it would be hard to beat my brains out on a rocky river. Make whatever anologies you want to out of that statement
You see I can see me flush drownin on a big volume river, but I think it would be hard to beat my brains out on a rocky river. Make whatever anologies you want to out of that statement
Joe,
I am glad that your accident was not fatal. I really enjoyed paddling with you and the Canadians (even the Yankees) on Clear Creek Wednesday. I was hoping you would get to join us on the Obed Thursday. I walked by your car that morning. I heard Louie telling you that you were ready for the Ledges on the Tellico, "just follow me stroke for stroke."
Honestly, I had a bad feeling that you might get in over your head. You paddled well on Clear Creek, but you were somewhat timid, not always in control, and seemed to lack confidence in your ability to paddle the Zoom without upset. (I can relate since I also paddle a Zoom). This was on a relatively easy Class 2-3 section of river. I know of 2-3 other close calls on the Tellico during ALF. It is easy to get swept up in the excitement and want to go along with the crowd at a big event. I also think there are some incredibly talented paddlers that attend ALF. What may in fact be very easy for them may not be for some of those in attendance. I think it is very difficult to say "I do not feel comfortable running that" when 20+ other people are saying it's awesome and that you are ready to run it. It is probably safer running with experienced groups on roadside runs. However, that is no replacement for paddling ability! Your paddling ability should be your primary safety chute. A solo paddler on a remote wilderness run paddling within his ability is probably safer than one way over his head with thousands on the Ocoee.
I am probably more conservative than most, but I want to be one of those cool 70-80 year old open boaters, not one that was lost but not forgotten (Ladd who?). I do not want to project that I am immune from mishaps or adventures (or misadventures) because after years of rock climbing, motorcycling, and a few years of boating I have had some doozies. All of these sports can be incredibly rewarding but also terribly unforgiving. Thanks Joe for your honest appraisal of the events that day.
I had an awesome time at ALF and appreciate the time and energy Louie et al put into the event to make it a success. I met so many great people and will definitely be back.
Be safe and enjoy the river!
Ladd
I am glad that your accident was not fatal. I really enjoyed paddling with you and the Canadians (even the Yankees) on Clear Creek Wednesday. I was hoping you would get to join us on the Obed Thursday. I walked by your car that morning. I heard Louie telling you that you were ready for the Ledges on the Tellico, "just follow me stroke for stroke."
Honestly, I had a bad feeling that you might get in over your head. You paddled well on Clear Creek, but you were somewhat timid, not always in control, and seemed to lack confidence in your ability to paddle the Zoom without upset. (I can relate since I also paddle a Zoom). This was on a relatively easy Class 2-3 section of river. I know of 2-3 other close calls on the Tellico during ALF. It is easy to get swept up in the excitement and want to go along with the crowd at a big event. I also think there are some incredibly talented paddlers that attend ALF. What may in fact be very easy for them may not be for some of those in attendance. I think it is very difficult to say "I do not feel comfortable running that" when 20+ other people are saying it's awesome and that you are ready to run it. It is probably safer running with experienced groups on roadside runs. However, that is no replacement for paddling ability! Your paddling ability should be your primary safety chute. A solo paddler on a remote wilderness run paddling within his ability is probably safer than one way over his head with thousands on the Ocoee.
I am probably more conservative than most, but I want to be one of those cool 70-80 year old open boaters, not one that was lost but not forgotten (Ladd who?). I do not want to project that I am immune from mishaps or adventures (or misadventures) because after years of rock climbing, motorcycling, and a few years of boating I have had some doozies. All of these sports can be incredibly rewarding but also terribly unforgiving. Thanks Joe for your honest appraisal of the events that day.
I had an awesome time at ALF and appreciate the time and energy Louie et al put into the event to make it a success. I met so many great people and will definitely be back.
Be safe and enjoy the river!
Ladd