Mohawk team?

RodeoClown · Post by **RodeoClown** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:57 pm

FullGnarlzOC wrote: HOPEFULLY...we can find a way to use the 4-wheeler. that would make things easier, and more fun.

Otter creek is a federally designated wilderness area, meaning no motorized or mechanized equipment is allowed. Think of carrying your boat out as training for some of the more fullgnarlz hike-to runs you'll be doing in the future... or punishment for screwing up.

FullGnarlzOC · Post by **FullGnarlzOC** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:39 pm

well in that case...hopefully there is still snow on the ground out there, so i can drag it out!

thanks for the heads up.

Sir Adam · Post by **Sir Adam** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:18 pm

Good luck with hiking it out of there. I've been lucky and my worst walk was a mile after a friend of mine pinned my cascade (went back after the water dropped to get it).

Thank you all, too, for keeping it positive for the most part. I'm sure if y'all want to get in to it there will be a lively discussion over at the FullGnarlz.com site (link to be added to Paddling links tonight... hopefully. The past 7 days has been ridiculous).

Alden · Post by **Alden** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:07 pm

I don't care who you are . . . those high mountain runs in the Dolly Sods and the Cheat headwaters are committing! A lot of good boaters have had to drag their arses out of there in the dark or wait it out until morning.

Tommy, nice to see you back here posting.

Alden

Craig Smerda · Post by **Craig Smerda** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:36 pm

Alden wrote:I don't care who you are . . . those high mountain runs in the Dolly Sods and the Cheat headwaters are committing! A lot of good boaters have had to drag their arses out of there in the dark or wait it out until morning.

Tommy, nice to see you back here posting.

Alden

Typical boaters... sleeping in late... mooching a ride... putting on around "late-o-clock"... blah blah blah.

Why not put on around 9:00 in the morning? There's a run up here called the Presque Isle that if you plan to do the entire run (M28 or from Stiegers)... you'd best be up and on the water early... and yes... no matter what the level and time of year it is it's always a +1 rating on the scale due to it's remoteness. It's a very special run... but it takes a special commitment to do it properly and with the right people. There's more than a few tales of long cold walks off this river... and we lost one of the pioneers of the region Jim Rada on this very river that he called "home".

http://www.amazon.com/Northwoods-Whitew ... 0917939034

http://www.americanwhitewater.org/conte ... il/id/939/
http://www.americanwhitewater.org/conte ... il/id/940/
http://www.americanwhitewater.org/conte ... l/id/2643/

I'm sure everyone has a run something like this... but frankly I don't get the "let's chance it attitude" some seem to have... never will.

(Maybe this thread needs a different subject line?)

BigNasty · Post by **BigNasty** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:08 pm

. . those high mountain runs in the Dolly Sods and the Cheat headwaters are committing! A lot of good boaters have had to drag their arses out of there in the dark or wait it out until morning.

Word there...pays to pack accordingly... it can get ugly quickly in West By God!!!

FullGnarlzOC · Post by **FullGnarlzOC** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:09 pm

dunno about you - but 1) don't like driving 5 hrs to get skunked, 2) hate not boating, 3) take numerous risk in numerous aspects of my life, daily, 4) aint afraid of the dark

=P

With that being said... I'm headed out on a two day excursion to get my boat...

Wiggins · Post by **Wiggins** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:14 am

I had an impromptu overnighter with a 200 foot climb followed by a six mile walk out in BC in November a couple of years ago after losing my boat on a flood stage run. I never got the boat back. Driving home without a boat on the roof sucks!

I am glad you are ok, and it is good to have you back. Good luck recovering the boat.

Kyle

FullGnarlzOC · Post by **FullGnarlzOC** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:42 am

sounds like u had a gnarly time kyle.

- boat is safe and secure now.

Smurfwarrior · Post by **Smurfwarrior** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:51 am

Great news! Everything good with it?

the great gonzo · Post by **the great gonzo** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:34 am

FullGnarlzOC wrote:dunno about you - but 1) don't like driving 5 hrs to get skunked, 2) hate not boating, 3) take numerous risk in numerous aspects of my life, daily, 4) aint afraid of the dark

=P

With that being said... I'm headed out on a two day excursion to get my boat...

glad to hear that you got the boat back. by the sounds of it you fell into a classic heuristic trap when you put on the river that day (done it myself and it may happen to me again). It;s good to know what the classic heuristic traps are, theyn they can be taken in consideration during the decision making process:

http://www.snowpit.com/articles/traps%20reprint.pdf
http://pistehors.com/backcountry/wiki/A ... stic-Traps

The studies have been done on avalanche accidents, but the conclusions concerning the decision making process apply to paddling as well.

TGG!