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fez · Post by **fez** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:24 am

a bit overmotivated...

KNeal · Post by **KNeal** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:27 pm

I get him being angry over screwing up that run. What I don't get is how quickly he gave up in trying to stay in the race. Yes, he missed a gate, but a quick eddy turn (that was right next to him) would have allowed him to make the gate and be just seconds down. I wonder what he was yelling?

Now the big question is, "should he have had his downstream edge up or down coming out of that eddy?" Or, "would using the other stern edge have made a difference?". Armchair analysts want to know. And don't anyone THINK about restating that last sentence.

Patiently waiting to moderate someone

TheKrikkitWars · Post by **TheKrikkitWars** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:36 pm

KNeal wrote:Yes, he missed a gate, but a quick eddy turn (that was right next to him) would have allowed him to make the gate and be just seconds down. I wonder what he was yelling?

I'd have thought getting 50 penalty points in a men's final is pretty much unrecoverable these days; and I have it on good authority that the things he shouted in both english and espanol were of a nature that would have lead to him being disqualified in a race sanctioned by the BCU rather than the ICF (who are thankfully less uptight about competiors gratuitiously swearing).

Now the big question is, "should he have had his downstream edge up or down coming out of that eddy?" Or, "would using the other stern edge have made a difference?". Armchair analysts want to know. And don't anyone THINK about restating that last sentence.

Personally I thought he just hung on his off side telmark stroke a split second too long, and that if he'd been begining his powerstroke at the point he starts knifing the blade forward (just before he goes over) he'd probably have come through upright

KNeal · Post by **KNeal** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:39 am

You're right about 50 seconds being unrecoverable. In those races, it seems 5 seconds can be the difference between first and fourth place. It looked to me that he had not gone through the gate by the time he rolled up so by quickly grabbing the eddy (instead of having a "hissy fit") and swinging back around would have put him in position to go through the gate and not gain the 50 second penalty. But, then again. I'm sitting here in front of my computer watching his run.

TheKrikkitWars · Post by **TheKrikkitWars** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:30 am

KNeal wrote:You're right about 50 seconds being unrecoverable. In those races, it seems 5 seconds can be the difference between first and fourth place.

Yeah, though the womens winner did get a 50 in her semi finals run and stayed in to win it... I'm not sure what to make of that in terms of how seriously to take the C1W class.

philcanoe · Post by **philcanoe** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:41 pm

TheKrikkitWars wrote:
KNeal wrote:You're right about 50 seconds being unrecoverable. In those races, it seems 5 seconds can be the difference between first and fourth place.
Yeah, though the womens winner did get a 50 in her semi finals run and stayed in to win it... I'm not sure what to make of that in terms of how seriously to take the C1W class.

C1W is a development class, it was even mentioned during the video. One long held in check by the good ole boy network.

Jeffrey Ward · Post by **Jeffrey Ward** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:23 pm

As philcanoe said, the C1W class has only existed for a few years. In my opinion, the quality of the C1W class has been increasing each year, as one would expect as more women take up C1 and gain more experience with it. I am no expert, but I predict that, in a few more years, the differential between C1 and C1W will be the about the same as the differential between K1 and K1W.

insolence · Post by **insolence** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:49 pm

fez wrote::D a bit overmotivated...

Elosegi, overmotivated???

In canoe slalom, you put in months, and years of hard work, and not only the hard training work, but all of your time, energy, passion (and money), all of your everything. It is hard, but you do it because it is a dream, the biggest dream of your life. For people "outside", it is hard to understand what it really means, and what it really is like

When a dream like this dies, it is not a nice feeling. Actually one of the most awful experiences I can tell of, believe me

I can understand Elosegi very very well

ian123 · Post by **ian123** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:18 pm

A hissy fit is a hissy fit. It wouldn't have looked out of place in the breakfast cereal isle at the grocery store, or in Toys r us... oh yeah, except he's an adult, sort of. Not pretty.

TheKrikkitWars · Post by **TheKrikkitWars** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:51 pm

Jeffrey Ward wrote:As philcanoe said, the C1W class has only existed for a few years. In my opinion, the quality of the C1W class has been increasing each year, as one would expect as more women take up C1 and gain more experience with it. I am no expert, but I predict that, in a few more years, the differential between C1 and C1W will be the about the same as the differential between K1 and K1W.

Waaaay back when I started paddling, I knew (and used to go drinking with) Jackie Shaw who was one of the paddlers intrumental in getting the C1W class off the ground, as a 17 year old girl she was racing Prem in C1 and beating a lot of the blokes...

From that I've always taken it that the C1W class should be as good as the K1W, and have it's top contenders at a higher level than most (maybe even all) of the male competitors...

Maybe I expected too much too soon, but it always bothers me when the womens events (and nowhere is this typified better than Junior Ladies freestyle) become a bit of a joke, where as it's only neccessary to do better than the rest of the [rather limited] field athletes are never required to push even close to their actual potential.