markzak wrote:Sorry I don't mean to burst anyone's bubbles, I'm just saying that I'm not complaining about my conversion boats and I don't want a 9-10' long creek boat.
how can you complain about something you've never even seen?
not to drag up this old thread... but the last time someone asked... you guys beat him over the head with outfitting crap when he seemed more interested in designing y'all a boat?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!
Bruce Farrenkopf wrote:Corran,
We really seem to be our own worst enemy. Here you are inquiring about the C1 market, perhaps because you're exploring the possibility of introducing a new C1 (read that designed to be a C1) and most of us are talking you out of it. Are you encouraged at all due to the interest in the Finkenmeister on this forum? It might be worthwhile to wait and see how well the Finkenmeister does sales-wise and reputation-wise. I'm hoping for the best.
I would like to see real plastics C1's introduced more frequently than a boat every 7-10 years. I have converted some kayak designs into C1's and I'm not impressed with their performance as C1's. They are workable but definitely a compromise.
Thanks for your inquirey. It definitely is getting some interest here.
Bruce
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I know Liquid Logic does and I'd suspect you could order the same from Jackson. I'm not sure about wavesport or Pyranha, though. You'd have to wait as if a special order, also, that doesn't solve the problem of demoing first. Isn't that kind of what those "armada" things are for, though?
Ned Poff
Craig Smerda wrote:
how can you complain about something you've never even seen?
Having seen the development of the L'edge, I'm sure that you and team could create something that will appeal to many paddlers. I'm just not disappointed enough with the existing kayak creek boat designs out there to shell out $1,000 for a brand new boat that just happens to be "C1 specific". In my opinion, the kayak manufacturers dump tons of money into R&D and they produce great boats, many of which happen to also be great boats as a C1, probably because R&D for a kayak isn't all too much different than what we're looking for in a C1. Different yes, but also no. Obviously a Green Boat isn't going to make a practical C1, but who can complain about the necky blunt, that boat is better as a C1 than a kayak.
Mystic is a great kayak, I paddled one once with 2 blades. Would probably make a good conversion too. I don't see that many of them out there, and never see them come up for sale used near me.
The Mystic also heavy, I mean heavy, like heavier than the Solo.
fez wrote:why is the Villain so tippy - it seems to have a flat bottom, and is 65 cm wide...? Nobody converted one yet ?
Because Jackson are truely abysmal at making creekboats?
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it sure don't look tippy, but it sure is big. and yeah, ugly as sin.
how's the pure holding up larry? i've seen one that was jacked up and heard about another. seems odd for prijon compare to the older stuff and how many pures i've actually seen.
mine is holding up ok. They seem kind of soft , but I haven't heard of any problems..
a few people are removing the stock outfitting and installing the pillar-rail-seat combo from the nomad because they (pures) don't seem as super bomber as we expected.
I made a front pillar for mine that is similar to the dagger style, and with my saddle in there it seems good.
marclamenace wrote:Actually Bernie posted a review on it some time ago and it didn't seem so bad at all, apart from the boat being huge especially in the bow...
I've paddled one, and will have to agree to differ with Bernie.
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CBoats Moderator - Not necessarily representing the CBoats staff though...(I'll use words like "moderator", "We" and "CBoats" to make it clear when I am)
I've seen a villian convesion on the Noli, guys loved it. I recently bought a used karnali to paddle on my knees. two primaray reasons were plastic last's longer, and u dont even need a bilge pump for river or creek.
Seen Paul Mason totally style his Ledge during alf. I will come closer to not being knocked in the head w/ a lighter karnali myself. the pro's v/s cons were a clean-up for me. I ain't even been in mine yet, but i'm hooked on it and open.
