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have a look at fatboy mainlines...

http://www.backwashkayaks.com/phpbb/vie ... ?p=182#182

Those are some pointy ends...

Is that the final plug, or just a plug for a prototype? It's kind of hard to see much from those pictures. It looks pretty good, but the ends are kind of pointy looking and the stern looks kind of low volume. Can't wait to see it in plastic.

I agree that it is pretty hard to see something on the images.
I think I would like to see more of an arc on the decs. and more volume in the ends.
...but hard to tell.

Cheers, Jan

Hey Marko,
Look at those pointy ends and that rocker! You aren't making Finkenmeister all over again, are you? You guys do have creeks over there, right?
haha, just teasing, man.
can't wait to see a new boat in plastic
Alden

Yeah, does kind of look like a finkenmeister...maybe that's "fatboy" in german, haha. I'm just glad someone out there has the cojones to step up and make a good, c1 creeker. Definatly a limited market, thanks Marko...!

marko,
thanks for putting up some pictures!
it is a little bit different than i imagined. but hey it's not my design-it's yours. and after paddling the wheelboy, i know that you know what your doing!
good work

Sorry about th poor quality of images.... sun went down before i too them.

Also there is no images from back.

I will pass better images really soon.

here is some points...

1. Boat has huge amount of rocker and look at rocker profile. There is kick rocker (LL idea) kind of edge at knee area, like in Riot big guns and DR mafia to carry over waves (similar idea works for air in freestyle)...

There is also huge stern rocker aviable. Yet it can be spinned over backeend.

the rocker is huge ... see the wB aside.... actually WB fits under the bow at rim area ...

2. Ends look thin because the center is huge, 75 cm. They are actully pretty much egual to LL GUS and end width about 15 cm from end is same as for BlissStick MAC 1 .. only the boat is 15 cm longer. Cutting ends make it look more spuddy and fat. Some ends were added for extra speed after first proto and it makes a boat loko classicly stylish. Thjough it dont help much with speed because they are so high out of water mainly. back eand is 3 times thicker at end then LL hoss and twice the MAC 1.

3. There slight wings at back of rim to make similar lift as wheelboy and similar stability wheel.

4. The backend has a lot of volume around rim. That should help to avoid needless sternsquirts and also it is needed to make intentional ones stable.

5. The hull is rock friendly with pretty soft edges and generally round shape. only sharpness is at critical edge @ hip area to help you with those gnargly bits.

6. Fat and wide center makes agreat platform for power strokes. This one is 2 cm wider than wb + 7 cm longer in flat area. Secondary enge is really high. I can stand in boat with ease. and paddle sitting on backdeck during flats. Imaes show wrong and boat is widest behind rim.

7. There is very classical lines that kind of remind us from Perception dancers and spirits. It makes the boat look much sleeker than it is. The lines actually work as release for airfoil deck desing.

8. This prod model has also lifted edges arounf rim to make center higher. i worried that there was no room to paddel in a proto but it showed wrong and now we have a slightly more egual looks. The boat used look like WS mutant which to me looks like it is slightly bend form center.


some changes that are going to be made ...

1. Both ends will be made slightly wider and thicker and slight corners will be added for wear resistance.

2. Topsecret clear separation stern is not shown ...

3. all safety features will be added, 4 grap loops and 4 carabine points.


I pass more images wehn sun comes out ...

marko

HI

Forgot to say that I did shorten the boat back a bit to roughly 245 to aid resurfacing a bit....

phewww ...

Cool, thanks for explaining everything. Arched decks, or peaked decks are nice too (like in the Nomad).

And if you could make it out of that blow molded HTTP like Prijon uses...

HI,

There is few more things to explain ...

Desing is now ready displacement wise, I will not touch at any price ... there is still change to compromise on few things ...

1. Ends, the ends as they are are like 17 cm wide at cut point. cutting a bit more result wider ends ... 17 cm looks pointy in pics... but is wider than WB bow ....

pointier ends are faster on strainght line ... especially long straight stern helps top speed and tracking and short is good for resurface and boof ... I try my best to get both...

Speed and tracking with clean separation and relatively good boof with reasonble shortness...


2. Rim deepnes... I have an larger rim dealed in... just working on the lowes area of rim ... i lifted the rim a bit higher for extra leg room ... deeper prodects deck better and now we are at hifhest which is below deck sides ... also helps implosions... more leg room can be archieved by lifting but I dont believe it is needed... there is huge space allready


Arched decks: There is an big arch on the deck. it does not show on images but it is there for the first 55-60 cm of bow. It disappears gradually because the boat would be like meter high if i would use big arc all way to rim .. there is no arch on back because the c-1 needs to be sternsquirtable even at hardest place ....

Here few numerical facts ....

total rocker: 62,5 cm
bow rocker: 32
stern rocker 30,5

Were the images missing? I went to download them last night, but got empty shots. There were 5 images in the zip drive, but they were 7-11kb, and had no image when I opened them.

Bill

they worked fine for me earlier today.

Switched viewer from Quicktime, to Windows Viewer and it worked. Thanks.

How thick is the Hull under the seat. I saw a Nomad add with a cracked hull and wondered if this was due to the compressed weight load, or just big drops? Just something to consider for production. I can't wait to get one.

Bill