Seakyak....ok...Seacanoe???

[dermott]

anybody knows a boat like a seakayak,but for c-boating?
please no outrigger...
greetz rene

[sbroam]

Verlen Krueger made them, I think someone has taken up where he left off. Search this forum and you should see this being discussed before. You could use one speedier tripping / marathon type boats with a spray cover. I think there is a Winterport (?) design I have heard some folks consider as a canoe with seayak type capability (if covered).

Why no outrigger? Just curious. I have a plastic one have found it to be pretty speedy and fun, but this one is not a an "expedition" platform for me (capacity at my weight and the hatches are not as watertight as I would like).

[pdown2]

What about that Pryranha Speeder kayak, just convert it. Looks plenty wide. Probably not a "open water" boat though.

[the great gonzo]

Not sure about the Speeder as a C1 conversion. I've seen it at a local store, it's actually quite narrow, max. width is 23.5 inches and that's measured at the 'wings'. in the area where one would kneel it's very narrow and the hull is very rounded.
Lots of similarity with a wildwater kayak.

martin a.k.a. the great gonzo!

[beach]

Check superiorcanoes.com

[sbroam]

Check superiorcanoes.com

Interesting. I was especially intrigued by this :

Camping & Cooking
The opening allows for quick and easy access to gear and
room to lean back to take a rest. The seat is easily removed
and the boat can be used for a nights rest if needed. And, if
you want, you can even cook off the deck of the boat when
land isn't an option.

* my emphasis added

Proving once again that canoes are "superior" - as we all know, you can't have your kayak and heat it, too.

[Taniwha]

No real pictures though at superiorcanoes.com. Unfortunately. It's hard to guess the lines and features from the one shot.

I'm looking myself for an alternative to a seakayak, but I'm not opposed to outriggers. Although it's hard to find one which might be used for extended tripping and offers enough payload for a week or two. Most of them are lightweight racing boats, not my choice.

Mine would have to be a va'a design with a cockpit. Watertight hatches front and back. Take apart construction with two halves.

Any more ideas someone?

[KNeal]

Proving once again that canoes are "superior" - as we all know, you can't have your kayak and heat it, too.

Nicely stated, Scott.


KNeal

[beach]

Try Krugercanoes.com

[TommyC1]

I've been dreaming of an Ocean going C1 for quite a few years now.
For me being able to kneel rather than sit is a prime consideration.
If not for that I'd likely just paddle a Sea Kayak.

The Kruger Dreamcatcher, http://www.krugercanoes.com/prod02.htm
Is the closest I've seen. At least it has a decent sized cockpit, though I don't believe it uses bulkheads. Alas it also seems to require the rudder so you have to sit with you feet out front.

The Clipper Sea-1 is another similar boat.
http://www.clippercanoes.com/boat_specs ... del_id=126
This one like many so called "Decked canoes" has a HUGE cockpit opening. Not a boat I'd want to take through the surf zone.
I had one for a short time and paddled it kneeling without the rudder in calm conditions. I am quite certain the rudder would be needed when the wind picked up though.

The Sawyer Loon is another similar boat, no longer made but occasionaly available.

Then there is the Bell Robroy.
http://www.bellcanoe.com/products/defau ... &catid=195
This one is smaller with a raised butpad seat more of a high end rec kayak IMO.

I've come to the conclusion that I've either got to get my hams stretched out so that I can sit in my kayak or design and build my own fully decked sport touring canoe.

[CosmikDebris]

Just for the record, I converted a Speeder and paddled it around for a while. Like a WW boat, once moving it is not too unstable. The biggest problem would be getting someones big legs in the cockpit, it is quite narrow. If you're smaller though, it works well and is considerably more stable than a WW boat. Definatly fun to paddle.
Will

[adamin]

Nice links TommyT!

There was an article on most, or all, of the boats TommyT mentions comparing them within the last 2 years or so in Paddler, IIRC. Definitely worth reading if you can find it, as I recall one or two boats were considering rather superior to the rest, depending on what you were looking for.

[Eric Nyre]

Sitting or kneeling?

For sitting, go with a Kruger Seawind. My understanding is that the Superior boats are knockoffs.

I have a Sawyer Loon with a sliding pedestal (sit or kneel), but when kneeling the rudder is worthless.

If you want to kneel, I'd convert a skegged boat. The Seda Ikkuma comes to mind, as the cockpit is large enough to give some space, and they'll build it to spec. You'd still need to add a pedestal and foam/ straps, but they can put the bulkheads where you want and cut out the seat/ thighbraces.

http://www.sedakayak.com/sea_kayaks/ikkuma/ikkuma.html

[TommyC1]

The Ikkuma looks interesting.
A few years back I put a GyraMax saddle into a CD Solstice GT (sea kayak) and paddled it a few times.
That boat has a 24" beam and feels super stable sitting on the butt pad. Kneeling on the 6" saddle it felt pretty tender.
Another problem with that boat was it's round cross section. That forced my knees back to the center which was quite uncomfortable.
I traded that boat (as a kayak) for a CD Caribou which looks a bit like the Ikkuma, a bit of rocker, squared chines and the skeg. The Caribou is a sweet touring kayak but my tight hams keep me from paddling it as much as I'd like. I have not tried converting that boat because, with it's 21" beam, I can't imaging it will be easy to keep right side up. But maybe it's time to try it.