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here is what I mean.I don't race through stick haning on wires over the river, I don't instruct in a formal setting, and I ain't no beginer ( Advanced intermediate). I ain't tryin to sell nuthin, ain't out for fame or fortune, I'm here for the drug. Addrillian is what I crave. I don't give a rat pattotie if you can drink the water or can get staff from just lookin at it. Don't care if it is down town in a thrid world country or some pristine river no white man has ever been too. I want a boat that will make me feel like I can do something stupid and get away with it. I ain't never taken the time to learn why a boat does what it does, I only know it does what I want it too or it don't. Remember if I went to the rivers cause of the secerine I'd taken up bird watchin

Was secerine scenery, or sacharine?

Anyway, your statement is brilliant, and should be engraved in stone somewhere on the upper Ocoee.

Totally out of the loop but I got know what boat started that thread? That is one hades of a passionate statement.

Dagger Ovation (Ovulation, Slow-vation, etc.)

response to poster 1 - Yes

response to poster 2- all of them I liked, yano like every women I've...........

response to poster 3- I was the first to call it the Ovulation, right after the first one came out of the mold, and do you remember that bull dozer thing Dagger came out with, the Phantom, looked like a Mohawk front end that some police department had used for a battering ram

Get a tube and flippers!!

Different boats for different folks. In my opinion, the Phantom is the ideal boat if you like to be able to do something stupid and get away with it. You get spanked a lot quicker in a Zoom.

friend of mine has a phantom, says he heard its from a chopped down ocoee mold. maybe louie can set us straight on this one?

I agree different boat to suits them all!

The phantom looks a lot like the solito (wide and flat) to me, both I have people in my club that likes them a lot. Very stable and forgiving indeed, but a hades to roll if you goof enough.

Not my type of boat at all. Again...

Chopped down Ocoee? Not the Phantom. Not with its bulbous ends and asymetrical design.

The closest thing you can buy to a chopped Ocoee is the Solito.

The two guys who did that POS couldn't stand Frankie and would scarfice performance, looks, and everything else to make sure no one accused them of just copyin Homies work. The Phanton was just another failed attempt to make a version of the Profit that people would accept, the other designer was so into kissin up to the head designer he would do anything that guy wanted him too. Ya they both hoped it would be as good of a boat as the Ocoee, but in white water canoe ( in my view ) Dagger had a winner with the Encore, Caption, Ocoee, and Quake and that was it they didn't have a lot of winners but the ones they did win with, they won big with

I'd add the Dimension to that list. Great tandem whitewater tripping canoe. It's always kind of looked to me like the tandem version of the Encore.

I agree big time with louie on the winners list.

I only wish someone is going to buy the encore mold someday... That was such a great alarounder.

I've been in a quake only once... Couldn't beleive how playful and STABLE was that little thing.

My winners list would be the Edge, Viper, Ocoee, Skeeter, Spanish Fly and Prelude. I also like the Spark as a Rec slalom boat and the salsa as a park and play boat. The caption also makes the winners list as the best expedition canoe camping boat. It is also great for big water.

Different boats for different folks.

I prefer decked ones myself.

And many a light paddler I know LOVES the Phantom. I haven't seen one up for sale for a week even (they disappear that quickly).

That's long been one of my complaints with plastic boats - one size does not fit all...nor does one design (they they keep trying).