Clinch River paddles info

D-Caption · Post by **D-Caption** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:38 am

Anybody got any recent pics of Baileys all wood curved face canoe paddles you would like to post, thinking but gettin a new one. thanks D-Caption

ezwater · Post by **ezwater** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:57 am

Are they different from what he made before his sabbatical?

horizongfx · Post by **horizongfx** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:45 pm

D-Caption wrote:Anybody got any recent pics of Baileys all wood curved face canoe paddles you would like to post, thinking but gettin a new one. thanks D-Caption

I Think Bailey is working on his Last Batch of Paddles Right Now, I have Begged and Pleaded with him to build me another Fantail, but he insist he's retiring from building paddles Yet again.
Maybe if enough people show interest in getting paddles made He'll stop building shipping crates and Start building Beautiful Paddles again.

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:26 pm

I talked to him the day before yesterday. I wouldn't say this is his last batch of paddles.

D-Caption · Post by **D-Caption** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:58 pm

What are the pros and cons of the fan tail paddle. Also if I GO TO A TWO INCH LONGER PADDLE will it give more leverage while rolling even though its mostly done with hip snap. Thanks D-Caption

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:11 pm

no con all pros. The top part of the paddle is not often in the water so why have something that looks like a half a sheet of plywoon on the end of your shaft, and of couse it needs to be a spooned fan tail.

horizongfx · Post by **horizongfx** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:21 pm

I personally Like the Fantail Blade because it is very easy to Feather while in the water. and it seems easier on the shoulders, It has just as much surface are as a Spoon Blade but the magic is in how the surface area is distributed. farther up the shaft.

philcanoe · Post by **philcanoe** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:26 pm

D-Caption wrote:What are the pros and cons of the fan tail paddle. Also if I GO TO A TWO INCH LONGER PADDLE will it give more leverage while rolling even though its mostly done with hip snap. Thanks D-Caption

1) less power & higher stroke rate -versus- lower stroke rate & more power

2) A longer paddle made my shoulder hurt - went shorter and it stopped.

2) It easy to find a longer paddle, to test that roll. If you have trouble finding one, ask any raft guide.

(Although it might make, the Miss's a bit happier.)

horizongfx · Post by **horizongfx** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:36 pm

Louie wrote:no con all pros. The top part of the paddle is not often in the water so why have something that looks like a half a sheet of plywoon on the end of your shaft, and of couse it needs to be a spooned fan tail.

I have to Disagree Louie, I have used spoons Most of My Paddling Life and I see little to No advantage of a Spooned Fantail Vs a Non Spooned Fantail, and Like Bailey says " You get a more even wear out of a Non spooned fantail, and You don't have to worry about which way your Holding the Paddle.

D-Caption · Post by **D-Caption** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:53 pm

I have used spooned curved face paddles for the past three years and have grown to like them a lot and most likely wont change, butone thing I have noticed. If there is no difference then why do Slolam racers insist on using curved face without the fan tail, maybe some of them do but most dont from what I have seen at races and on videos. Just sayin...I dont mind trying the fan tail but I SE EM TO GET MORE POWER FROM THE CURVE OR SPOON FACE. Also does anyone know about how much a 56 in paddle ia a med weight that bailey builds weighs. thanks D-Caption

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:26 am

Well have you ever wonder why he uses a Fan tail spoon? Just askin.

D-Caption · Post by **D-Caption** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:45 am

Personal prefence, I tink I would rather have more power per stroke than less power and faster stroke rate. When we all end up in the same eddie anyway so what if I have to make a few more strokes, I need the exercise anyway. Thanks for everyones input, its been a big help. Catch ya in the eddie. D-Caption

golder · Post by **golder** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:57 am

for some interesting thoughts on the subject, check this out, from jim snyder's page:

http://www.rivrstyx.com/html/short_reads.html

specifically,

http://www.rivrstyx.com/html/stroke_theory.html

this stuff is far from 'conventional' or 'race' wisdom, but it makes good sense to me. its certainly something to think about....

edg · Post by **edg** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:38 am

The photos look almost identical to what's hanging in my garage- A classic "square" Gala slalom paddle and a a curved "triangular" Gala wildwater blade that appears almost identical in shape and dimension to the Bailey fantail (which is sweet!). Why the difference- in slalom, the paddler is going all out for, these days, 90 seconds or so. In wildwater, you go all out for about 20 minutes, and all day river running. I think the fantail shape is also better in shallow water, where most of the classic shape is out of the water. As I've aged, my preferences have changed. I used to want a blade like a snow shovel. Now I seem to be able to get by with a shorter shaft and smaller blade. I was influenced by some French dude who said you don't want a big paddle you can only pull on at 80% effort: you want a smaller blade you can pull on with 100% effort. Either way, you'll have fun testing it out...edg

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:03 am

Ya what he said, maybe it is the shallow part. Fan tail spoon work best for me.

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Clinch River paddles info

Clinch River paddles info

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Fan Tail paddles

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fan tail vs conventional

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