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c1 pin experiences

Post by oopsiflipped » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:07 pm

the fink and atom thread got me thinking about pins. josh (i think) mentioned something about bow pins and how modern creek kayaks have step out bow pillars. i've always thought stern pins were more of a concern for c1.

in a bow pin, if my body is on the bow as well, i can still kick my legs back to escape. it is a situation where my body is pinned to the stern, which seems more likely in a stern pin, that i feel i can not escape from a c1. does this ring true to other c1ers out there or is my reasoning flawed?

the worst pin i have had was paddling solo when i had a blown line at pookicker on the watauga. i forgot where my line was and ended up pinned. i was still paddling the strapless remix and got out very quickly, just in time to watch my boat sink into what would have been a very bad situation if i was still inside.

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Post by xmas0c1c1k1 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:14 pm

I think any pin in a c1 is bad. Maybe are legs can't get crushed but with the modern boats you rarely see this. I have never been able to set up a no hands exit system that actually held me in. I do have a QR system that I like alot and feel more comfortable. To me its just part of it some situations may be easier in a c1 but very fey in my mind

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Post by CosmikDebris » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:26 pm

LP,
Do you want to hear about pins? You want to know about pins? I've never needed to undo my outfitting to get out of a pin. My outfitting is the safest, most reputable system around, and the thought of having some sort of QR contraption to get me out is proposterous. AND... C1's NEVER get pinned. We're just too good.

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Post by Craig Smerda » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:30 pm

Not trying to change the direction of the thread... but that's one good reason to paddle an OC with a bulkhead... you can almost always jump right out of it if you have to... not saying that you can't pin a canoe... but I'm sure you get the point.

I have an idea/concept for a C1 cockpit and outfitting that's not exactly conventional/traditional or a kayak style keyhole... but I'm not divulging anything else regarding that for now... or in the other thread. :wink:

Yes... you'd probably need to get a different sprayskirt than one used on a kayak or an Atom/Fink/etc.
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Post by oopsiflipped » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:34 pm

wow, craig replied to this thread. and....wait for it....




you sir are nothing if not predictable. of course the main disadvantage to creeking in c1 is the giant whole in top of the boat. :lol:

did see you saying you'd be at the gauley this weekend?

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Post by Larry Horne » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:15 am

open canoes are easy to get out of...the proof is in all the swimming I see :lol:
you guys get into a lot of trouble when you're trying to sneak the real lines in rapids :wink:
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Post by FullGnarlzOC » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:23 am

solo run on watuaga. nice. what's a stern/bow pin? ;)
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Post by xmas0c1c1k1 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:26 am

LP,
I think you need to brush up on your grammar. Here is a quick lesson 'is' is used for present tense so I think what you are trying to say is that your outfitting WAS the safest, because last time I checked you did not own a c1.
So to review today's lesson:
Will Lyons WAS a good c1er.
Will Lyons IS a traitor.

While Craig I do agree that a Canoe can be safer in some ways, but what about that sieve the oc1 ended up in because they couldn't control their boat full of water. Plus until every one is rolling around in a PE canoe you will still see alot more folded royalex canoes on rivers than kayaks or c1's.
Those might be some typical responses to why to not creek in an oc1 I personally am just lazy and hate dumping my boat, canoes are heavy, I hate taking care of my airbags and I am even to lazy to charge the battery for my pump so find a cure for my laziness more power to people that sit in canoes just not my bag and I'm willing to admit my pathetic reasons for not doing it

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Re: c1 pin experiences

Post by TheKrikkitWars » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:14 am

oopsiflipped wrote:the fink and atom thread got me thinking about pins. josh (i think) mentioned something about bow pins and how modern creek kayaks have step out bow pillars. i've always thought stern pins were more of a concern for c1.
I've mentioned how bulkheads are particularly good in bow pin situations a couple of times now.
Anyway thinking about it, a stern pin would be a complete disaster for me, as the only way out would be head first and backwards, with my bodyweight bringing the boat over...
In the event of a stern vertical entrapment (ie. where the boat is held immovably by the force of the water) there's a good chance I'd either break the bones in my lower legs or tear the tendon's in my ankles using the water to rip me free of the boat, and no, that kind of damage is not unprecidented, just mercifully rare.

Comparatively, in my OC1, I'd be fine, as I could easily slip my footpegs, and drop out of the boat without catching my feet on anything.
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Post by xmas0c1c1k1 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:41 am

whitewater paddling is an inherently dangerous sport

Yes I believe its good to make it safer and I am all for innovations that make it safer, but I think there are situations where you would rather be in a raft, oc1, k1 or c1

I think you can even come up of ideas where straps or bulkheads are safer

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Post by xmas0c1c1k1 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:42 am

Is there any possible way to get out of a c1 without using your hands to pull the skirt? I just don't think it is possible like you can in a kayak

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Post by jakke » Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:26 am

If you're not totally strapped in under the skirt, you should be able to. You can rise your upper body quite much, enough to release the skirt?
You sure cannot do that in a kayak, but a c1 migt be possible? Any experiences?

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Post by xmas0c1c1k1 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:06 am

well you can pop your thighs out in a kayak and pop skirt with knees. I don't think i feel secure in outfitting loose enough to push out of like that in a c1. Also my lower body feels pretty useless in a c1. For instance can yall just be sitting in your boat and just push feet back and come out?

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Post by fez » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:43 am

impossible
imagine

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Post by xmas0c1c1k1 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:12 am

I think alot of the escapability is in the backrest height once you get your arse over the top of that everything gets pretty loose fast

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