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Jackson Dynamic Duo converted to C2. Has it been done, thought about, laughed at? Just curious and thought why the heck not.

ok may have just answered my own question by finding this.

http://www.cboats.net/cforum/viewtopic. ... de4205359d

But has anyone tried?

Dude a dynamic duo C2 would be awesome! it's actually something ive discussed with another friend of mine. my feeling is if you can butt boat it you can C1/2 it. may be a learning curve, but where else are you gonna find a c2 like you would a dynamic duo outfitted c2. if you had a partner wiling to get down, you could run some c2 stout in that. i dont know about weight limits for the boat, but it seems to me that two 150-160 lb cboaters could rip in that boat. EJ are you listening "TWO YOUNG 150-160ish lb CBOATERS COULD RIP IN THAT THING"

I'd use a Topo-Duo if I was going to do that, but with both K2 whitewater boats, the problem is that the paddlers are spaced too far apart for any of the advantages of c-boating (other than higher viewpoint) to carry through into a C2.

One seat left for a kayaker and one seat outfitted as a C1? Maybe would be a neat way to introduce kayakers to C1?

Dan Caldwell
Rapid Media TV Guy

I very tempted to order one has anyone else yet tried it?

The Eskimo Topoduo would be cool.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxsd4gH7hgo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; it is MADE BETTER than that Jackson crap

Too long, too far apart, too less rocker, maybe not wide enough. Same for topo and dynamic duo

Has it been thought about?

Yes, at least by me. I have long thought it would be cool to have a tandem thingamabob where the stern paddler was kneeling (and thus able to see better), while the bow paddler was seated with a twin bladed paddle for added horsepower. One big advantage to this setup over that of a K-2 is that you wouldn't have to build in extra boat length to accommodate the stern paddlers legs.

This advantage would be lost in converting a Dynamic Duo into a C-2. (Or, um, a C-1 / K-1?) The alternative would be to build a new boat from scratch. (Fund my retirement and I'll quit working to give it a shot)

With that said, I'll note that I have done some instruction of people with disabilities in a Dynamic Duo. Yes, it's a big boat. Yes, it's also a full-on whitewater boat and is an excellent teaching platform for many reasons.

Short answer, yes, I think it would make for a fun C-2 while being a bit bulky.

Oh, and haha, by the way, almost impossible to shoulder it solo, hadn't thought of that prior to trying.

Ken

I can think of lots of negatives to a bow-paddler using a double blade. For one thing, you do not have the reach and pull for steering strokes & turns. For another, half the time you are stroking on the stern's onside, and half the time on the opposite side; can't see an advantage to that. The whole stroke-rate synch is going to be strange. Rolling -- that's a head-scratch -- not even going to go there. Years ago there was a theory that a kayaker could easily slip into paddling bow because it was "a lot like kayaking", but that was when people still thought that cross-bow strokes were awkward & pointlessly inefficient, etc, blah, blah. As for river-running, in rapids the bow controls where you are going to go, and the stern sees to it that the stern stays behind the bow & gets there. Again, a sitter in the bow doesn't make sense -- can't see, less leverage. If it's just to "show her/him the river" then the stern will be paddling like it's a big C-1 anyway. Except for a one-shot demo or a sight-seeing tour, you aren't accomplishing much. The one exception of course would be working with a handicapped partner (as Bambam has done), where the whole point is figuring things out that work with & for that individual.

Running solid 4-5 rivers with a solid partner is great, but given the disadvantages I don't think many (any?) would see value in a sit-down double blade bow. If you want to rip it up, I can't see any plusses, and I have ripped plenty in a slalom C-2. Tearing up in a C-2 can be absolutely the greatest rush on the river, but IMHO you need a C-2 designed as a C-2, so you can paddle it like a C-2.

(Brief pause for cool memory: I'm no fan of "just jumping in a boat together", but an exception I did once make back when EJ was still a whipper-snapper and he showed up on the river when Rocky was perfect and I happened to be surfing & popping C-2 enders with my racing partner -- and eventually for kicks we did swap around, so yes, I can claim to have ripped it up with EJ once back in the day -- and yeah, we did rip. Oh yeah, oh youth!!)