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Interested in progressing at ALF, but not interested in hearing folks yell "Stand Up, Get yer S*%@!" while you push yourself to new limits?
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I spent a day with Eli at ALF last year - had a great time, learned a lot.

Highly recommended.

That is great news. That other $#it is a real turn off.

"That other $#it is a real turn off."

MAJOR turn-off. I was hoping to get down for part of ALF this year, but I don't think I'm going to bother.

I'm a new-ish OC paddler and a complete outsider to the world of GDI, but I tuned in a while back when I took an interest in attending ALF. The nastiness of some of the discourse over there has been a real bummer. I teach high school, man, I don't need negativity and drama in my paddling life, I see enough if that at work.

I'd love the chance to see and learn from some great c-boaters, but I think I'll skip TN attend the open canoe slalom nationals this year instead.

I haven't boated with most of the people who post on the gdi FB page, but I'll vouch for Alex and several of the Candians. Really nice folks. Don't not go to TN just because of the BS that gets posted over there.

That said, if I could make it to ALF this year, I would be signing up for a day with Eli for sure!

Shep

There is a real difference between the perceived atmosphere at ALF and the real atmosphere among boaters when attending. Just like a big family there are some things that a few don't like, but in the end we back each other up and look after one another. The lessons are a nice addition I think :^)

craig wrote:There is a real difference between the perceived atmosphere at ALF and the real atmosphere among boaters when attending.

^^This^^

Colin Moneypenny says it best: "ALF is like a pick-up hockey game. You meet up, you pick your group and your river, and you go off and have fun."

The GDI page is a collection of a lot of personalities and personas, many of whom are not indicative of that person's true nature. I'm including myself in this as much as anyone. I make jokes and occasionally trash talk, but I try to keep it light hearted and all in fun. Undoubtedly there has been some negativity on the page recently, but you shouldn't associate a few knuckleheads with the great festival that is ALF. I think last year over 200 people attended, and I only got to boat with a few dozen. If you don't want to be around certain people, you don't have to be.

Almost everyone I've met - from Tennessee and other places - have been stand up characters. They are the type of people that drive 200 miles to get you a boat when you've cracked yours on Day 1, they type of people that let you crash on their floor for two weeks and don't say boo. Don't let the drama (much of which is a sarcastic inside joke, a la anything from Barbara Anne DeFeo) on the GDI page dissuade you from attending one of the best weeks of boating you'll have all year.

NOW BACK TO ELI's Workshops.....I've done a lot of trainings from technical computer work to survival building fires by rubbing sticks and I think Eli Helbert is one of the most interesting and effective instructors I've come across. If you think you need what he's teaching at the moment I really suggest you go. I had the great pleasure in taking a Canoe instructor course with him last year. I thought it was a very effective and enjoyable week. I travelled 20 hrs round trip to take his course vs take it within 2 hours from home. If you are local for ALF this year its a great split of your time for fun & training. Go for it!

ChrisD, you're listening to Louie and making decisions on what Internet Louie types....
There are 200 canoeist, just go, see, demo, drink and have fun. If you really don't care for where Louie is coming from you don't have to spend 1 minute with him...though i'll tell you that to paddle the river with him is completely different than reading what he writes.

I'm a couple of thousand miles away and don't surf the local sites. What does gdi fb link you to?
If it is all that nasty I gotta have a look at it.

ALF is friendly to everyone and you will progress as a Canoer if you show up and paddle with anyone there. However, if you would like my personal focus and energy to aid you early on, contact me, this is least expensive instructional offering I will have in 2013.

ELI I AM SO EXCITED!! about the workshop. I have gotten my deposit in for the Alf workshop. I have friends who have taken your canoe instructor course and your individual instruction and they can't stop talking about the experience. See you in TN
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This appears to be yet another instance in which commentary on the Internet is creating a false impression of the real thing.

Last year was my first ALF and I am really looking forward to going back. Whatever may have appeared on FB or elsewhere I can personally testify that the people were very nice everywhere I went. Even when I was half a class above my comfort level the folks I was with (all of whom were much better than I was, and it was a privilege to paddle with them) were friendly and encouraging (what they said when I wasn't around may have been completely different, but what does that matter?). There are probably half a dozen people or more I had not known before that I'm hoping to meet again. Louie is certainly one of them.

And the number and variety of rivers was fantastic.

My advice to everybody is: go!

I've never attended ALF, but had the privilege of living in and being part of that community many years ago and agree that despite the banter on the internet, the community of paddlers in the SE are fantastic hosts and I don't know anyone who has attended ALF that hasn't had a positive experience and am looking forward to my trip to TN for ALF this year!

Go to ALF, come to the CBoat Armada, and check out as many other paddling trips as you can - you'll make new friends, learn a lot, and have a great time.

Folks internet persona doesn't always match their in-person one, and be careful in that regard too and don't go in with too many perceived notions of what someone will be like, especially with a number of the "stronger" personalities.

I'd seriously consider taking Eli up on his offer, too. I look forward to paddling with him this year, that's for sure!

Sir Adam wrote:Go to ALF, come to the CBoat Armada, and check out as many other paddling trips as you can - you'll make new friends, learn a lot, and have a great time.

Folks internet persona doesn't always match their in-person one, and be careful in that regard too and don't go in with too many perceived notions of what someone will be like, especially with a number of the "stronger" personalities.

I'd seriously consider taking Eli up on his offer, too. I look forward to paddling with him this year, that's for sure!

There's a lot of bravado on some sites and FB, but ALF attracts enough people you'll find some like-minded paddlers.

I took a course with Eli last season at ALF and highly recommend it. Worth the time & money. I would do it again if I was returning to ALF.