Liquid Logic and Pyranha conversion questions...

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Liquid Logic and Pyranha conversion questions...

Post by GSG » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:04 pm

Couple quick questions to help me narrow down my boat choices:

Can anyone confirm that LL is still willing to sell bare hulls? I asked my local dealer and they told me LL will only provide bare hulls for warranty replacements.

Is the stock rail in Pyranhas useable for conversions like the LL rail?

Thanks folks.

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Re: Liquid Logic and Pyranha conversion questions...

Post by GSG » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:10 pm

Ok, answered one of my own questions. Emailed Liquid Logic and they got back to me within an hour and stated that, yes, they still sell bare hulls. They're the first company to return my emails at all.

My local dealer must not want my money.

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Re: Liquid Logic and Pyranha conversion questions...

Post by TheKrikkitWars » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:00 pm

GSG wrote:My local dealer must not want my money.
If I recall correctly the shops margin is pretty low to none-existant on shell-only boats...
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Re: Liquid Logic and Pyranha conversion questions...

Post by GSG » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:07 am

TheKrikkitWars wrote:
GSG wrote:My local dealer must not want my money.
If I recall correctly the shops margin is pretty low to none-existant on shell-only boats...
Well had they not lied to me they may have kept me as a customer for all the other things that they do make money off of.

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Re: Liquid Logic and Pyranha conversion questions...

Post by AJ » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:17 pm

Yes, you can use the rail in the Pyranhas. Here are some pictures of my H:3 conversion, I also used the same technique for a Burn. https://www.facebook.com/al.johnson.904 ... 235&type=3

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Re: Liquid Logic and Pyranha conversion questions...

Post by Smurfwarrior » Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:22 am

I am a Liquid Logic dealer and would happily order you a shell so that you may convert it into a proper boat. :)

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Re: Liquid Logic and Pyranha conversion questions...

Post by cheajack » Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:33 am

I've done seat rail conversions in both LL and Pyranha boats and have been disappointed in all of them until I started stiffening the rail by gluing an old style narrow ski into the slot on the rail.

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Re: Liquid Logic and Pyranha conversion questions...

Post by Daddy-O » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:15 am

Cheajack: whats with the ski??? Does this prevent oilcanning from stress tranferred through central mounted thigh straps? Please elaborate... does conversion nix factory warranty on hull?

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Re: Liquid Logic and Pyranha conversion questions...

Post by cheajack » Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:24 pm

I don't know anything about conversions and warranties. I buy used but not abused kayak hulls to convert so not a warranty issue for me. I didn't reinforce the rail in my Karnali initially and when I broke the hull the rail bent and I never could get it perfectly straight again and I believe that contributed to oil canning that followed (but it also could have been related to the weld). I have a LL Remix 79 (which will get posted for sale soon) that I reinforced the rail with a ski and have absolutely no oilcanning in this hull. I put a Gyramax saddle in a Fluid Spice L (great C-1 btw) and reinforced the entire floor of the hull with 1/16" Kydex over 3/16" minicell and this hull hasn't oilcanned at all either. Newer kayaks seem to have some type of reinforcement or support for the hull built into the outfitting. I think this has come from attempts to make them lighter and more economically. Old kayak conversions (I have had lots of WS-Z's) and older purpose built C-1's never seemed to have serious oil canning issues, but were a lot heavier. I guess we should stick to injection molded hulls like the Prijons but the obvious trade offs are the weight and if they break they are done.

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Re: Liquid Logic and Pyranha conversion questions...

Post by sbroam » Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:39 am

The LL shell i got had walls and a rail. I didnt depend on the rail alone. See pix in the link below.

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