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Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception canoe

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:16 pm
by vzap
Can anyone identify this canoe? Based on the serial number, WEM320320279, it's a Perception built in 1979. It's light lay-up fiberglass hull design indicates it's a solo downriver whitewater racing canoe. I've saved it from the trash heap and am in the process of rebuilding it. Looking for the model name and what the graphics looked like. The only color I found on it were remnants of red where screws penetrated the hull to attach the gunnels. My finger is pointing out a distinct seam where the hull transitions to a vertical section for its' top-most 2 1/2 inches.

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:34 am
by pblanc
Why do you think it is a Perception boat? The manufacturer identification code for Perception is WEM. The MIC WEG is assigned to Western Marine Engineering of Anaheim, California.

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:58 am
by vzap
Woops. Huge typo. The 3 characters on the serial number are WEM. Thanks for pointing that out pblanc. Typo has been corrected.

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:43 am
by clt_capt
So - a totally wild guess here, but that boat looks a lot like a Steve Scarborough boat. About that time I think Dagger was just building paddles and a few one-off boats that Steve was racing...

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:21 am
by vzap
thanks capt. If anyone stays in touch with him please ask him to chime in. Thanks

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:14 pm
by vzap
Mystery solved. Here is what Steve Scarborough had to say about the boat.

" That is an HD-1. It's a Hahn c1 hull with the sides built up. The serial number starts with WEM, which stands for William E. Masters. My hands are definitely clean on that boat. All of my designs started on paper or computer and involved arithmetic."

Now I need to get a vintage Perception graphics made. Anybody out there happen to have one or have access to what they looked like in 1979?

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:51 pm
by Not Elvis
I think I can help you out, as I have 4,614 HD-1s (second largest collection in history, next to landfills adjacent to woosy OCers) :lol: The graphics mainly consisted of a stylized perception name and HD-1 with a shadow effect. Sometimes, there was pinstripe as well that ran below the gunnels. I will collect pictures and send to you. I will also measure them so you know how long / tall they are for the vinyl sticker company to match.

It will be a few days until I get back to the stable and get pics--I am out of the country.

J. Robbins
240 three seven five 9 zero 4 zero

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:14 pm
by pblanc
This photo might give you an idea. Unfortunately, the HD-1 sticker is on the other side:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42020723@N ... otostream/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is a not very good picture showing that:

http://www.dotzen.org/4sale/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:06 pm
by vzap
Beautiful work pblanc. Thanks for the help and the photos.

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:29 pm
by ezwater
I was boat inspector for the Southeastern slalom and downriver races on the Nantahala through that period, and it is interesting to think that I probably ran hands over that boat, and put an inspection sticker on it.

Except at the Nationals, that was pretty much all that was involved in boat inspection. Eyeball it, and if there wasn't anything obviously out of range, put a sticker on it. 8)

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:30 pm
by vzap
Was the sticker somewhere on the order of 1 3/4" X 3"? There's a spot near the stern or bow, can't tell which at this point, where a sticker appears to have been.

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:04 am
by dondford
That boat brings back memories; back during that time period I stopped by the Perception plant and asked to buy a hull only HD1 to save money. Bill Masters pretty much gave me the third degree as to why I wanted a bare hull (after explaining I outfitted canoes and needed to save money by adding rails, ect myself, he agreed.) His concern seemed to be he was afraid I would rip off his design and use the hull as a plug. I bit my tongue but thought it was pretty funny since we both knew he ripped the design off himself. I later traded the HD1 to John Barbour at the NOC as partial payment toward a Mad River ME and never looked back.

D

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:46 am
by vzap
A good story and memories. The numerous small imperfections and thousands of pin holes that I've had to fill with a epoxy/microfiber fairing filler don't seem to meet the standards I had thought Perception canoes to be built to. Any thoughts on this?

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:38 pm
by clt_capt
Perception was never really known for their glass boats... I paddled a few many, many moons ago - definitely not state of the art even at the time.

Re: Need help identifying which model of 1979 Perception can

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:07 pm
by vzap
Not sure what I'll do with this one. Thought it'd make a cool ceiling hanger for someones' cabin. I'll post pictures when it's finished.