Saddle height too high?

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Saddle height too high?

Post by AU_Whitewater » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:44 am

I just converted a Jackson superstar I had laying around to a c1. I have never been in a c1, and am trying to figure some things out. I purchased the Jackson conversion kit and the saddle height is 6". When I sit in the boat, it is hard for me to sit all the way down on the saddle and my ankles are killing me. I added a 3" block in top of the saddle, and it felt much better. I am unsure if a 9" saddle is too high for a 6' tall person with 32" inseam. I haven't had a chance to paddle It yet.

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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by Sir Adam » Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:24 am

It all depends on your balance, the hull shape, and width.

I suspect with a kayak conversion you'll find it rather tippy, but you may be fine.

Work on stretching your legs and ankles and see if over time you can lower the saddle. Slalom racers go as low as 4.5" (probably lower for some!) most of mine are 6-8" depending on boat width.

While watching TV or whatever try kneeling / sitting on a beachball and over time (days) let more of the air out. Try to not let your legs fall asleep, and watch for circulation issues.

Ankle blocks (pieces of foam to prop your ankles up a bit) may help too, though I've found it best to stretch and be able to move my feet around to help keep the blood circulating.

Good luck!
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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by Bob P » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:42 am

Sir Adam wrote: Work on stretching your legs and ankles and see if over time you can lower the saddle. Slalom racers go as low as 4.5" (probably lower for some!) most of mine are 6-8" depending on boat width.
Most C1 slalom racers now have seats that are in the 2"-3" height range (Casey's is closer to 2"). Even at 70yo, I'm still pretty comfortable at 4.5", but I've been paddling C1 for 35 years.
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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by AU_Whitewater » Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:13 pm

My boat is pretty wide being a superstar. Most likely the problem is me not being very flexible.

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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by Sir Adam » Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:46 pm

Bob P wrote:
Sir Adam wrote: Work on stretching your legs and ankles and see if over time you can lower the saddle. Slalom racers go as low as 4.5" (probably lower for some!) most of mine are 6-8" depending on boat width.
Most C1 slalom racers now have seats that are in the 2"-3" height range (Casey's is closer to 2"). Even at 70yo, I'm still pretty comfortable at 4.5", but I've been paddling C1 for 35 years.


"OW" is all I'll say;)

Thank you for chiming in with up to date information - and reminding me how non-flexible I tend to be :cry:
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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by Ianonetwothree » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:30 pm

I d argue 6" is too high. C1s aren't comfortable.

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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by Bob P » Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:46 am

Ianonetwothree wrote:I d argue 6" is too high. C1s aren't comfortable.
For you, maybe, but I'm fine in the kneeling position.
Sitting in a kayak, however, will make my back seize up after about 20 minutes...
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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by Ianonetwothree » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:26 pm

I m also "fine" but tolerable and comfortable aren't the same. For example, hammocks are comfortable, bike seats are tolerable.

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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by PAC » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:44 am

Most of my boat saddles are at 8" to 8.5". I like that for knee longevity. It gives me more torque in a play boat and I have gotten use to paddling and rolling at that height. I get it for a race boat (have a few at the lower dimension) but like the higher. Try different heights to see what you like.

It takes time to get use to a particular height - start tall and cut down. harder the other way! ;-)
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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by johnd » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:12 am

Have you tried yoga? :lol:

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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by Bob P » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:08 pm

johnd wrote:Have you tried yoga? :lol:
"Coincidentally" enough, I meditated (and did Yoga) in a kneeing position long before I started paddling...
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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by sbroam » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:55 pm

I've got two C-1 conversions in the fleet with >8.5" saddles. Be comfortable!

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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by Ianonetwothree » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:32 pm

... Just be comfortable upside down also :)

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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by craig » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:31 pm

9"is as low as I can go just to be tolerable

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Re: Saddle height too high?

Post by JimW » Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:31 am

I needed about 6" seat in my old slalom boat, but got straight into the new one at 4" with no problem at all.

The difference is the width of the cockpit (and hull) - I am able to spread my lower legs further apart in the new boat which means I can sit much lower before my ankles take the same levels of strain/pain.

Conversely in the Session+ I converted the cocpkit width is probably OK (maybe a bit tight at front), but the step in the hull and the sides are too narrow so I need a 7" seat in there, which makes me way too top heavy, I still haven't successfully paddled that boat as a C1!

And yes the 'kids' (some of them quite old) who are more flexible than me are down to 2" or less seats in slalom boats now, although I do know one who raised his seat to 5" to increase leverage - I don't know if he has stuck with that or if it was just an experiment.

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