C-1 creekers?

billcanoes · Post by **billcanoes** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:31 pm

I owned a CFS as a K1, I hated it- except it was so easy to roll. I didn't like the displacement hull, i thought it didn't eddy well. I bought it because it was so cheap and I wanted to try K1 for the winter. On the other hand my friend who bought it loves it for creeking, if you like a hard chine boat then this is not for you.

willlyons · Post by **willlyons** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:28 pm

I would say the CFS would be about one of the worst C1 creekers out there, with the exception of maybe an Overflow. If you want something really cheap, look for an old Rockit or Skreem or something. May take a bit of searching but you should be able to find one for not much more than $200. I wouldn't waste your time with the CFS. Remeber, SPEED is the name of the game, and that boat is SLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW.

Jan_dettmer · Post by **Jan_dettmer** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:22 pm

i totally agree with Will.
Man, those CFSes are slow, they have nothing to do with the Nomad.
The Nomad is a completely different Design. A couple of Yaker friends
like them but they are really only good in very tight, steep bouldergardens where you bounce from rock to rock.

Wanna buy my cracked Blunt?

Its still good for everything but
multiday or remote runs in general and you barely notice the two cracks (5 and 15 inch)

Cheers, Jan

creek1r · Post by **creek1r** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:24 pm

IMHO a CFS is a horrible conversion boat. As kayak it is good only in shallow steep creeks. Slow and no tracking.

NZMatt · Post by **NZMatt** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:53 am

Hiya Jay-UK

I'm a kiwi cboater currently based in Switzerland. JUst moved here in September from the US, so don't know much about the rivers in the area yet, but it looks like we should have some pretty awesome creeking when things thaw out (but I'm not in a hurry for that - we only just got snow so now it's time to ski ski ski).

Starting to dial into the local clubs so should have a better idea of what is around come spring. I'm more of an OC boater for technical stuff (both because I love open boats and because both my C1s are glass

- but if you want to get spanked on class II, I have a C1 squirt you could try

), but I also haven't done a huge amount of creeking. Sort of call the limit at IV and easy V. Anyway, if you end up putting your trip together and pass through this area, drop me a line. I live about 20km south of Bern, less than an hour from the alps.

Cheers

Matt

Post by **sbroam** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:57 pm

I ain't much of a creeker but I do have a Rockit conversion - it is *fast* compared to most every other conversion I've paddled, though admittedly those have mostly been playboats.

Bruce Farrenkopf · Post by **Bruce Farrenkopf** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:27 pm

The Robson Finkenmeisterdoddadthingboat (I'm not sure of the spelling) does not backender on me going over steep drops. I have moved my weight about 2 inches forward and no problemo. The small stern helps it track when on edge and helps the boat kick out of holes. The boat is an able creeker/river runner. The more time I spend in the boat the happier I am with it. The only problem lies with the mediocre primary stability. Secondary stability is excellent and once the boat is moving you don't notice the lack of primary - the boat becomes stable and predictable. It is a superb boofer, and rises quickly and stably to the surface if the boat goes deep.
Bruce

Jay - UK (cant log in) · Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:08 pm

Hi NZMatt - will contact u if i decide to pass through your way.

Bruce Farrenkopf - sounds like a great boat see if i can get a test boat in the UK.

The post seems to have hit a lot of people over there - maybe I'm not the only C1 creeker!

Anywhere over there worth checking out pictures of spots for creeking or class 4/5 river running - you do use classes for the rapids the same as we do, right -

1 - easy
2- maybe a few obstrutions
3- weirs, a small stopper, holes
4 - an excellent set of rapids with all the above and more technical
5 - same as above, more water volume and more danger
6 - only runnable by nutcases (ME!) or only runnable in light water

Jan_dettmer · Post by **Jan_dettmer** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:00 pm

in BC, if you want to paddle class 5 creeks you better know what you are doing. It normally involves serious consequences in very long drops where its hard to stay on line. In short, its full on.

Class 6: unrunnable.

People here seem to call everything 4+ just so they don't have to admit that they take any risks

(Yeah, its 4+ish, you start middle and then boof right to avoid the sieve on the left. Make sure you don't go deep, the drop seems to have this nasty pothole, then you roll under the tree in the middle
and boof into the river right eddy below the ledge. Don't miss it, there's a mandatory portage below.)

Cheers, Jan

Ps: at
http://www.open-canoe.de/open-sucks/[/u ... g.peak.org

Bruce Farrenkopf · Post by **Bruce Farrenkopf** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:59 am

Hello NZMatt,
I've done some boating in Switzerland with the locals and had a great time

. Try hooking up with a club, that is the best way to connect with the local boating community and stay out of trouble on the rivers out there. The Swiss rivers tend to be heavily engineered - lots of weirs

, etc. I hooked up with the Lucerne Canoe Club and they were a good bunch.
Bruce

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