Rolling C1

[ICTOAUN]

I need advice rolling C1.

I can sometimes, 30% of the time screw roll it but this just seems to rip the straps out and put unnecessary strain on my shoulder.

So anyway I was boating C1 and I really want to be able roll and stop swimming!! I have tried rolling on the front but get confused about paddle positions, I also find it hard to come up on the front (I can not do it in kayak either). This resulting in me failing badly.

Ok, getting to the point can anyone describe or even better show me pictures or a movie of a roll so I can see where to start and end the roll and also what is the easiest roll to do.

Do I start leaning forward?, do I spend the whole roll on my front deck or do I sit up?, do I start the roll on the power face of the blade or do I do it all on the non-power face?

Oh and please don’t say it’s easy because it drives me mad lol, It’s only easy once you can do it !!!

Thanks for any help,

Dave

[kneeler]

It sounds like you might already be a butt-boater with a roll.

If this is the case, I've found kyackers that know how to back deck roll a kyack learn the fastest by doing the backdeck roll on the back-face.

The key difference it to keep your elbows above the shaft while you push down as opposed to keeping your elbows below the shaft while you pull down.

If I'm wrong about your two-bladed status or if you don't have a back-deck roll, I agree that nothing helps as much as pics and/or video.

You shouldn't have any trouble. After all, it's easy.

[John Coraor]

Dave:

The general concensus on canoe rolls is that a high brace roll (elbows below the paddle pulling), while quick, puts a lot of strain on shoulders and doesn't have the staying power of a low brace roll (elbows over the paddle pushing).

Check out the previous thread (link follows), it has a number of helpful descriptions, links to videos, and references to other books and videos: http://cboats.net/cforum/viewtopic.php? ... light=roll.

Keep practicing!

John

[ICTOAUN]

Thanks for your help,

i have been looking for videos on here but a lot of the links no longer work but i have found one which i will try and copy.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/canadianrivers/id19.htm

any more help/addvise would be appreciated,

Dave

[yarnellboat]

Low brace, elbows above pushing,....

Use your non-power face; float out your blade and your shoulders far & high, and square your shoulders to the bottom; forehead on shaft; roll - bringing the boat underneath you, and your hips over the righting boat; lastly, slink your shoulders, blade and head low, low, low over the front deck.

Hope that train of thought makes sense when your watching the videos. If you want to look at a book, pick up Thrill of the Paddle.

P.

[Sir Adam]

Where are you located Dave? Sometimes the best thing is to have someone who knows how to roll watch you to figure out what's going wrong...if you're close by I'd be glad to give you some pointers (and I know that goes for a few other folks out there too).

[billcanoes]

I'm in Charlotte- Sooner or later I almost always come up- I'd be happy to work with you if you're in this neck of the woods-

Bill

[ICTOAUN]

Well i live in England so unless you fancy a trip all the way over here that could be hard. I found some good videos and i think i know what to do, i just need to get to the water and ill be rolling away , I wish lol

[TomAnon]

The referenced link of sbroam's:

http://bookwoman.net/scott/paddling/C-1_Roll/

Used to have some real good underwater video that I for one would like to see again and copy if possible. Can the link be fixed? I am trying to train my son how to roll and see the process underwater might really help him.

Tom

[Bruce Farrenkopf]

Hello ICTOAUN,

We all want you rolling. The world needs more C1ers. So don't get discouraged.

Sir Adam gave you very good advice . Get thee to a pool session or a friendly pool of water and have an experinced boater teach you how to roll . I would recommend the 'C to C' roll, but it sounds like any comfortable roll would do at this point.

SYOTR,
Bruce

[sbroam]

The referenced link of sbroam's:

http://bookwoman.net/scott/paddling/C-1_Roll/

Used to have some real good underwater video that I for one would like to see again and copy if possible. Can the link be fixed? I am trying to train my son how to roll and see the process underwater might really help him.

Tom

We'd registered and hosted that domain with hopes that my wife would put up a site, but work, kids, etc... have gotten in the way! And since only I was only using it to put up my own miscellaneous content, mostly boating, we let "bookwoman.net" expire...

I could e-mail you the videos, all three come to 5 MB. If enough were interested, maybe Adam would be willing to host them. I really think that somebody with a little better equipment could get some much better video - a better subject would not hurt!

Scott

[TomAnon]

sbroam,

Thanks for the offer. Please EMAIL to:

tom20882@yahoo.com

I am taking both sons down to the Feeder Canal on the Potomac tomorrow to get some instruction from Davey Hearn. Maybe they will stick with a slalom program, maybe not. Anyway, they are very excited to go and train with a world champion! I am pretty excited for them as well.

Tom

[Tiggy]

set up set up. nose on bow deck plate. face down on onside. set up hands like your gonna do a push - up (paddle is perpendicular to hull as is your body) . snap hips. low brace. rub your NOSE across the bow deck. do it! your head will do all this for you. I can roll like this wiothout a paddle.
remember. practice makes better, the canoe roll is a glorified low brace.