help my roll keeps failing!

brockers · Post by **brockers** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:56 pm

hi,
i paddle a spanish fly, unfortunately my roll keeps failing. i know the theory of the roll, i think that my head keeps coming up early but can't seem to stop it! does anyone have any tips or ideas to help me get my technique right.

brockers

mshelton · Post by **mshelton** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:01 pm

Try keeping your head touching your paddle until you are completely up, then even hold it there for a second or two to try and over exaggerate the feeling. This worked for me when I had a few probs with mine.

Post by **PAC** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:29 pm

Always found "looking down at the water" as I finished helped me.
Just don't give up - it will click and then life will be good!

bamaboater · Post by **bamaboater** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:26 pm

as you initiate the opposite side knee, to push down on the boat and pull it back up underneath you and you feel your back start rising out of the water, push/drive down on your paddle. it'll give you a little more momentum to pull the boat back underneath your torso. let your head "drag" back into the hull, as looking or lifting up too soon may cause you to become unstable and lose your roll.

try to get fully extended on your set up. think perpendicular.

my .02

Walsh · Post by **Walsh** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:34 pm

brockers wrote:hi,
ii think that my head keeps coming up early but can't seem to stop it!

I had this issue for a long time in my Skeeter and didn't know it. The little trick that works for me is after initiating the roll, to watch the oposite gunwhale underwater and try to pull it towards my face. Everybody's different, though.

boatbuster · Post by **boatbuster** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:08 pm

hand until the boat is completely righted.

brockers · Post by **brockers** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:13 pm

cheers guys (and gals) for the replies. they all made sence (except the last one which seemed incomplete!) i will try them out and see what happens.

brockers.

ps. how often do these cboat armadas run and do they happen in my part of the world (europe) alot?

msims · Post by **msims** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:39 pm

here's my tip, this is for a c1 but im guessing same applies in your boat. This helped me much recently.

Two phases to the roll, it's important to keep these motions separate: hip-snap/initiation, then followthrough.

Of course i'm over simplifying, but this worked well for me - you snap first, get your boat up on edge, then follow through. (keep your head low like they said.)...

Mike.

Mike W. · Post by **Mike W.** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:59 am

Work on head dunks. Without flipping, dip the top of your head into the water on your on-side. Brace back up. Keep working on it, going deeper as you improve. Once you get that, flip off-side & roll up. That's what made it click for me.

wetnobby · Post by **wetnobby** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:07 am

Simon, Bring back down to the Tryweryn at the weekend. I will bring mine and we can work on it......Chris N

wetnobby · Post by **wetnobby** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:20 am

PS....
Make sure you are connected to the boat well. I can roll mine easily without straps in still water, however in bouncy water you really need a good firm connection to the boat to ensure you transmit all the motion correctly.
Without seeing I can not say whats wrong, but try working on your low brace...Use the correct techbnique !. Get it lower & lower & lower, getting the boat further over every time. Get comfortable with doing this.
The recovery from a low brace is exactly how your roll should be finishing.
Being familiar with the finish position should help you get there!
Good luck..

jim gross · Post by **jim gross** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:53 am

well you need two paddles sir. Duct tape the shaft of one around your helmet . be sure to get the blade pitch right . the other blade is one you paddle rivers with. when you flip simple let go of the paddlein blade and reach for the taped one. ( it will already be in the proper position. then simply hipsnap up. it worked for me. JIM syotr

keez · Post by **keez** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:47 pm

I paddle a Spanish Fly as well. As everyone else said, look for the logo on the side of your boat; i.e. keep your head down. The other part of the roll is legs, legs, legs.
One problem with the Fly is the height and shape of the boat. My elbow kept hitting the bag cage. The solution is to sweep the paddle slightly forward in the last stage of recovery. This helps get your elbow over and around the cowling.
My roll's now pretty much bomb-proof, unless I get knocked out, last last week on the Gull.
Geoff

boatbuster · Post by **boatbuster** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:50 pm

I have a bad habit from Boatertalk of starting a topic in the subject line and continuing it in the message body, so it appeared incomplete. Let me say this again, this time all in the same place:

Pretend your helmet is superglued to the back of your shaft hand on the paddle until the boat is completely upright. Then and only then does the glue release and your head come up. But instead of pulling your head straight up, keep it low in the boat as you swing it across toward the opposite gunnel. Hope this helps

brockers · Post by **brockers** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:53 pm

practicing deeper and deeper low braces sounds a good idea - if not a wet one as when i fail it will be swim time!

ta

brockers

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Pretend your head is superglued to the back of your shaft

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