What am I - boat needs identified....

Post by **PAC** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:46 pm

Jim Kelly-Rand just picked up an interesting boat that needs IDed.

Attached are some links to photos of it. Thoughts as to what it is?

http://picasaweb.google.com/paulcline20 ... 8614178914

http://picasaweb.google.com/paulcline20 ... 0386890642 I like the humor!

http://picasaweb.google.com/paulcline20 ... 3400444626

Thanks all!

kaz · Post by **kaz** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:54 pm

Oxygen?

Post by **PAC** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:58 pm

Don't think so ... does not have that boomarang cut of an O2. I don't think the turret-like cockpit was part of that design as well.

Mike W. · Post by **Mike W.** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:38 am

Neat boat! The deck looks somewhat Groovish, but not quite. Could it be an early version of the Groove? Whatever it is, it looks like fun!

Craig Smerda · Post by **Craig Smerda** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:17 am

cool boat... i dunno what it is... you should just send it to me for further investigation

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:41 am

but Marshell Fox had one just like it. Kinda looks like the same paint job or at least by the same person

c1swim · Post by **c1swim** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:17 am

looks like a Groove.

Sir Adam · Post by **Sir Adam** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:22 am

Not a Groove.

I have two thoughts, both of which are likely wrong:
1) Years ago while in college a fellow by the name of Joel was designing a C1 and he and I corresponded a bit about what it might look like. A lot of our thoughts are in that boat, but it could easily be coincedence, as a lot of folks were looking for some of the lines I see in that boat in the mid 90's.
2) Take a slalom boat, cut it WAY down, and redo the cockpit with a turret...

Nice looking boat though! I'd like to know more about it...and to paddle it!

Post by **sbroam** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:27 am

I was thinking Meltdown, but then I looked at one in the gallery and it's not that.

Something by the Shaggy boys?

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:31 am

I swear Marshell Fox will know or at least tell you something, I bet he will be at Cheoah this weekend and everyone who is anyone will be there, unless they are doin first D's in Mexico.

Kelly-Rand · Post by **Kelly-Rand** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:14 am

I should just clarify that it is not my boat but a friends in Garret Co. MD. I'm looking forward to a chance in it this spring when I come down from Boston. Till then I'm looking for more snow to add to the reserves in the watershed.

Alden · Post by **Alden** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:15 am

Looks like a fun boat! Let's see, my guess would be -- what boat predates the Mentor? Maybe the Derelict? The Bad Influence? The Deadbeat Dad? (I think those were all early-90s designs.)

Post by **PAC** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:18 am

The boat he posted on Cboats .net needing ID is one of my prototypes. I built that boat in the basement at a place in Arlington I shared with Karen Robine. The boat wound up being too low volume and unstable with the narrowness of the bow area. I first float tested it on a lake in Reston Va and Little Falls. So far so good. I took it down the Lower Yough one day and still good. Then I launched on the Cheat around #feet one day. Our Jay not Elvis was there. The boat was squirrely and I took off at decission. Came back and caught up by Coloseum or Pin Ball I think. I gave the boat to Richard Hopley to pass on to the Chapelles as their C-1 son was small. I saw Sheila a year or so and found our her son never really got the hang of it. I wondered what happened to that boat. I had given more than one of my designs away back then. Charlie Walbridge even got one of them. He quickly wrenched his back as he did not anticipate the incredible responsiveness to the "Lochsa" I designed to do 4 day self supported tripping. My original concept for the boat in question here today was a cross between an early Piranha boat and a Huricane. Mighta had enough volume if I coulda set on ma butt in it, but alas it was exclusively a C-1.

JIM

No real name on it - just another creation of Jim's.

I was thinking it was a proto-groove as well!
But I agree with Craig - we need to take it out for further investigation!

KNeal · Post by **KNeal** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:46 pm

Pretty sweet boat! I see a lot of similarities with other boat designs:

- edges and ends look like a Meltdown or Viper
- Hull shape and convex decks look like a Groove
- Cockpit looks very much like a Groove/Jim Gross special
- Paint job looks to be lacking metalflake, so it must not be all that good of a boat

Very nice, Jim. Maybe we can create a name for it? I'm thinking, "Sumpin Gross"

KNeal

Mike W. · Post by **Mike W.** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:46 pm

KNeal wrote:- Paint job looks to be lacking metalflake, so it must not be all that good of a boat

HA HA HA HA HA I have a new entry for my list of all-time favorite quotes

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What am I - boat needs identified....

What am I - boat needs identified....

I can't remember what he called it

Per Jim Gross....