Sorry for the tiny pics...
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p285 ... ohawk2.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p285 ... Mohawk.jpg
Can anybody identify this Mohawk Canoe???
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Can anybody identify this Mohawk Canoe???
I was told it's a 14 footer....
Sorry for the tiny pics...
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p285 ... ohawk2.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p285 ... Mohawk.jpg
Sorry for the tiny pics...
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p285 ... ohawk2.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p285 ... Mohawk.jpg
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dixie_boater
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I'm looking for a beginner's boat, nothing fancy. Something that will handle II+ and maybe III well for me to learn on. I'm also a big boy, (280). Assuming that the boat is in decent shape, would this boat be a decent choice.
I've been paddling a Sit on Top kayak down the Cartecay, Upper Hooch, Etowah and Hiwasee (Tennessee and Georgia Rivers) for a couple of years and I'm looking to trade up for something that was actually meant for whitewater.
I've been paddling a Sit on Top kayak down the Cartecay, Upper Hooch, Etowah and Hiwasee (Tennessee and Georgia Rivers) for a couple of years and I'm looking to trade up for something that was actually meant for whitewater.
I have a Mohawk Challenger; it is indeed a 14 foot boat. The Challenger is the Mohawk Odyssey's predecessor; the hulls are essentially the same, except the Odyssey has a tumblehome that starts about 3/4 of the way up, whereas the Challenger does not.
My Challenger has black plastic decks and black plastic gunnels (with an internal aluminum stiffener from thwart to thwart). Are yours wood or tan plastic? I don't believe Challengers ever had any wood except for the seats, but I could be wrong. Otherwise, the boat you pictured has very familiar lines.
The Challenger would likely fit your described needs quite well as long as you understand that with it's mild rocker (1.75 in. if I remember correctly) it's not a terribly maneuverable boat by today's standards. If you work on your ferries, this shouldn't be too much of a problem, as long as you don't expect to execute last minute eddy turns. It's no play boat, but it will surf if you put the effort into it. What you sacrifice in maneuverability, you gain by being able to ride over large waves almost completely dry. The Challenger also has strong secondary stability and excels as a solo river tripper. For what it is, it's reasonably fast, too. You'll have no problem outrunning whitewater butt boaters once you get it up to speed (they'll accelerate faster than you).
I want to eventually move up to a more modern solo WW canoe, but I'll NEVER sell my Challenger. It's a great boat.
If you post a few more pictures (not so close and wide angled, this distorts what the hull looks like) I can likely positively I.D. it for you.
Phreon
P.S. There are a few pix of Challengers on Mohawk's site at: http://www.mohawkcanoes.com/paddlerspage.htm
This one http://www.mohawkcanoes.com/images/paddle/drift.jpg is mine; I bought it from the guy you see in the picture, canted the seat, repaired the stem, added knee braces and bags.
My Challenger has black plastic decks and black plastic gunnels (with an internal aluminum stiffener from thwart to thwart). Are yours wood or tan plastic? I don't believe Challengers ever had any wood except for the seats, but I could be wrong. Otherwise, the boat you pictured has very familiar lines.
The Challenger would likely fit your described needs quite well as long as you understand that with it's mild rocker (1.75 in. if I remember correctly) it's not a terribly maneuverable boat by today's standards. If you work on your ferries, this shouldn't be too much of a problem, as long as you don't expect to execute last minute eddy turns. It's no play boat, but it will surf if you put the effort into it. What you sacrifice in maneuverability, you gain by being able to ride over large waves almost completely dry. The Challenger also has strong secondary stability and excels as a solo river tripper. For what it is, it's reasonably fast, too. You'll have no problem outrunning whitewater butt boaters once you get it up to speed (they'll accelerate faster than you).
I want to eventually move up to a more modern solo WW canoe, but I'll NEVER sell my Challenger. It's a great boat.
If you post a few more pictures (not so close and wide angled, this distorts what the hull looks like) I can likely positively I.D. it for you.
Phreon
P.S. There are a few pix of Challengers on Mohawk's site at: http://www.mohawkcanoes.com/paddlerspage.htm
This one http://www.mohawkcanoes.com/images/paddle/drift.jpg is mine; I bought it from the guy you see in the picture, canted the seat, repaired the stem, added knee braces and bags.
Pay close attention to the condition of the royalex. Old Royalex can become brittle with age, especially if left out in the sun (UV light).
Look for cracks and fading carefully. Dings and small gouges can be fixed if the hull is otherwise healthy and hasn't delaminated (absorbed water into the core and rotted). Signs that it has been stored unprotected outside for a long time are not good.
Don't let age scare you away though. I picked up an 80's Royalex tandem Mohawk that was is pristine shape, stored inside a barn it's entire life. It's still strong and resilient. Any dings on it are from me...
Phreon
Look for cracks and fading carefully. Dings and small gouges can be fixed if the hull is otherwise healthy and hasn't delaminated (absorbed water into the core and rotted). Signs that it has been stored unprotected outside for a long time are not good.
Don't let age scare you away though. I picked up an 80's Royalex tandem Mohawk that was is pristine shape, stored inside a barn it's entire life. It's still strong and resilient. Any dings on it are from me...
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sbroam
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Well, now I know what that boat under the deck is - nobody has been sure, but I guess it is a Scamp!
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http://picasaweb.google.com/scott.broam/CanoeOutfitting
http://picasaweb.google.com/scott.broam/CanoeOutfitting
Looks like the scamp in the back yard under the deck but I have made mistakes before. Either way take the recommendation as to checking the condition of the hull. The scamp I have is soft and brittle and is at the end off its life. You might get lucky - just look closely!
Paul C.
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Jimp. has one
SCAMP
Better pics and measurements
http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p285 ... art/Canoe/
The beam at widest is 33 inches. The boat is @ 14 feet, 2 inches long. Which suggests a Rogue from earlier posts. The last 2 digits of the serial number are 87, which I assume means made in 1987.
The hull is in very good condition, it's not faded, looks like royalex on far younger boats, except for the specific gouges in the photo album. Only the large one in the bow actually penetrates the red outer layer of the material, but does not puncture all the way through. Being unfamiliar with Royalex, I am unsure if and when any of these places need patching/repair (advice is appreciated).
Obviously, I need flotation bags, and I need to glue down some new D-Rings. Each end was set up with only one D-Ring, is that enough, or should I outfit her differently???
The Perception saddle is uhm, interesting. It's fairly comfortable, and I like the ease of changing from sitting to kneeling. The thigh tree, or whatever you call it, isn't nearly wide enough for me, my knees and thighs fit just outside of it in a kneeling position (I'm a big dude). However, my knees come to the sides of the hull, with some minicell glued in the right place, I would have decent side to side control of this boat. At some point I'll need a different seating situation (especially for goofing around in class I and II), but for now, it will do, I'm not quite comfy with idea of being all strapped in quite yet. The foot pegs were way too short even at the longest adjustment, so I removed them for now.
Again, any advice for outfitting or preparing this boat for the water would be greatly appreciated.
I'm taking her to the lake to feel her out tomorrow!
The beam at widest is 33 inches. The boat is @ 14 feet, 2 inches long. Which suggests a Rogue from earlier posts. The last 2 digits of the serial number are 87, which I assume means made in 1987.
The hull is in very good condition, it's not faded, looks like royalex on far younger boats, except for the specific gouges in the photo album. Only the large one in the bow actually penetrates the red outer layer of the material, but does not puncture all the way through. Being unfamiliar with Royalex, I am unsure if and when any of these places need patching/repair (advice is appreciated).
Obviously, I need flotation bags, and I need to glue down some new D-Rings. Each end was set up with only one D-Ring, is that enough, or should I outfit her differently???
The Perception saddle is uhm, interesting. It's fairly comfortable, and I like the ease of changing from sitting to kneeling. The thigh tree, or whatever you call it, isn't nearly wide enough for me, my knees and thighs fit just outside of it in a kneeling position (I'm a big dude). However, my knees come to the sides of the hull, with some minicell glued in the right place, I would have decent side to side control of this boat. At some point I'll need a different seating situation (especially for goofing around in class I and II), but for now, it will do, I'm not quite comfy with idea of being all strapped in quite yet. The foot pegs were way too short even at the longest adjustment, so I removed them for now.
Again, any advice for outfitting or preparing this boat for the water would be greatly appreciated.
I'm taking her to the lake to feel her out tomorrow!
Challenger
I had one in the late 80's an paddled it up to class 4. It was a nice smaller boat than the oca's and would go anywhere they would!
Bill
Bill
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Calling Mohawk. When I got my Scamp, that how I found out what it was. Of course this was under the old owner, I would call and talk to Craig, give him the serial # and they could look it up.
FWIW My scamp was made in 86
FWIW My scamp was made in 86