mexico

Dale Barton · Post by **Dale Barton** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:59 am

going to veracruz in Feb. any lowdown on weather, clothes, gear, etc. Louie?

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:02 am

More than I can type, but no matter what else you do you have to go to carnaval. I will respond more at work this is on my time now

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:14 pm

I don't know how long you plan to be there but if you want to maximise the river time you will want to start in Jalcomulco. From the Airport in Veracruz I can get there in about an hour but I know a few short cut so figura on a little longer. If you are goin to rent a car I will give you Alina's phone number at Avis. There is hotel down town $15.00 a nite pool, bar and resturant. With Jalcomulco as your base camp. You have four sections of the Antiqua River close. The Actopan is also very close Bar/resturant at put in, another one half way down ( Bring money on the river great food and cold beer) there is also a bar/resturant at the take out. A little farther away is the Alsasacan and the Atzalan, both very kick butt creeks and great runs. For twenty buck a day I can get you hooked up with Pluma Blanco, he will run interference with the law, guard your car and pretty much show you a good time. Even if your boatin were to suffer a little you have to do Carnival. Bleachers are rented out to people who rent the seat out to indivuals, usually by neighbor hoods. My mother in law would take you to the La Brisices section, just mention me or Pinchalocogringo and you will be treated like a king. OK more to follow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYTNl1fXVrw Rio Antiqua ( 4 fours)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdW2r5YcL38 Rio Antiqua ( Pecsados)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21g5bguUmQs Rio Alseasan (Hope Diamond)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRiwUeEupzQ Lower Tomato

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyUIceLf2wQ Rio Actopan

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:28 pm

Winter is over by Feb, all four days of it. The worse you might see is a Pinche Norta which is a cold north wind, highs in the 60's. However up on the Alseasan it is usually cloudy with a cold drizzel a lot of the time. When there is a norta the beach moves inland and you will have sand and grit everywhere under the door, in your hair, camera, car pretty much everywhere. I have never seen one last over twodays however. South of Veracruz a couple of hours near the Gulfo de Mexico two Volcanoes just poped up out of no where and one has 5 river on it and the other has seven. they are both like national parks and very nice PLG and I go a couple of 1st D's ( see the videos below). Both of the bigger cities down there are a trip Santiago Tuxtla and San Andres Tuxtla. I have a cousin down that way who could drive you around if need be. You will have to do Rio De Oro. Ride horses up the mountain and boat all the way to the Ocean. The fifty foot falls on that run breaks on rocks but both the 40 and 30 footer are clean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiCydcz_2mI Rio de Oro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1whoQ8ghZc Rio Tecotalpan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=legw53Ndrg4 Rio Tepango

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:31 pm

here is a friend of mine webb site for Mexico. finds his video and picture page. He doesn't have that much on the Veracruz area but still has some good stuff to see

http://www.mexicanwhitewater.org/index.php

Dale Barton · Post by **Dale Barton** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:01 pm

Thanks, Louie. We are going with the canadians(esprit), but all info is much appreciated. Dale

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:13 pm

call me at 803 319 1719

biggreenjefe · Post by **biggreenjefe** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:59 am

It can be cool and moist up around the Alseseca. You'll go over the mountains from Xalapa. I'd take something for cool+ weather both on and off the river. They have what they call the "chipi-chipi" (cheepy-cheepy), a cool/cold wet fog that can cut right through you. First time Bailey Johnson went with us Mexico was having some of the coldest weather they had had in 20 years. Took a picture of us at the Tropic of Cancer globe (crossing officially into the tropics) all standing there shivering. Bailey looked at me and said, "F**king tropics, huh?" On the Pescados run we stopped and built a fire because it was so cool. Down in Jalcomulco all is good.

eculp · Post by **eculp** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:57 am

Louie wrote:Winter is over by Feb, all four days of it. The worse you might see is a Pinche Norta which is a cold north wind, highs in the 60's. However up on the Alseasan it is usually cloudy with a cold drizzel a lot of the time. When there is a norta the beach moves inland and you will have sand and grit everywhere under the door, in your hair, camera, car pretty much everywhere. I have never seen one last over twodays however. South of Veracruz a couple of hours near the Gulfo de Mexico two Volcanoes just poped up out of no where and one has 5 river on it and the other has seven. they are both like national parks and very nice PLG and I go a couple of 1st D's ( see the videos below). Both of the bigger cities down there are a trip Santiago Tuxtla and San Andres Tuxtla. I have a cousin down that way who could drive you around if need be. You will have to do Rio De Oro. Ride horses up the mountain and boat all the way to the Ocean. The fifty foot falls on that run breaks on rocks but both the 40 and 30 footer are clean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiCydcz_2mI Rio de Oro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1whoQ8ghZc Rio Tecotalpan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=legw53Ndrg4 Rio Tepango

¡Chingon! Louie. Amazing videos and creeks. Did you run the 40 and 30 footers on the Rio de Oro? That really looks fantastic. Have you considered writing these up on a blog with links to the videos and maybe logistics?

Both the Tepango and Tecotalpan seem reasonably accessible from the videos. Would you agree? I've done a lot of scuba at Roca Partida and seem to remember that the Rio de Oro goes into the golf there but I might be wrong. It has been a while.

I am really impressed. Thanks for posting this.

ed

P.S. Bye way, I think Tom McEwan are organizing another race on the Alseseca. in January, 2010 should anyone be interested.

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:00 pm

Report this postReply with quoteHe did write the Gringo Guide to Mexico
by Louie » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:10 pm

so how could he be wrong

Louie,
Thanks for the info. We did longer sections of each of the two rivers that you mentioned below (Rios Tepango and Tecolapan). I see that you guys also went through that hole (the most exciting drop) on Rio Tecolapan. I don't suppose you heard of anyone else running these rivers before you? I'd like to credit you guys with the first descents of the sections that you ran. We also had crowds of people gathering in Santiago Tuxtla watching us run the falls (one of our guys ran that undercut drop, and we all ran the 30ft falls at the end of town).
Anyway, I'm a bit curious about the upper run on Rio d'Oro. We put-in at the 50 ft falls where Fernando Cordoba guided us. That section down to the coast is only about 4 km. I did see a road that accesses the river a few kilometers higher up. I'm not sure what you mean by the "1500-meter" when you talk about putting in up higher. Did you guys just hike up farther on a trail by the river? However, I do agree that with the clean water and exciting falls and rapids (and the beach), Rio d'Oro is one of the nicest short class V runs to do in the area (and in Mexico).
Rocky

We were in touch with Tom ( he lives south of Veracruz) and he told us he hadn't done either and didn't know anyone who had. I missed the race last year I was home for the number 5 childs birth I am goin to call her caboose cause she is the last one I'm havin, well with this wife anyway. Yes both of the small two falls on Rio de Oro are good to go and it does empty out into the gulf just south but with in sight of Roca Pardia

eculp · Post by **eculp** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:53 pm

Louie wrote:Report this postReply with quoteHe did write the Gringo Guide to Mexico
by Louie » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:10 pm

so how could he be wrong

Louie,
Thanks for the info. We did longer sections of each of the two rivers that you mentioned below (Rios Tepango and Tecolapan). I see that you guys also went through that hole (the most exciting drop) on Rio Tecolapan. I don't suppose you heard of anyone else running these rivers before you? I'd like to credit you guys with the first descents of the sections that you ran. We also had crowds of people gathering in Santiago Tuxtla watching us run the falls (one of our guys ran that undercut drop, and we all ran the 30ft falls at the end of town).
Anyway, I'm a bit curious about the upper run on Rio d'Oro. We put-in at the 50 ft falls where Fernando Cordoba guided us. That section down to the coast is only about 4 km. I did see a road that accesses the river a few kilometers higher up. I'm not sure what you mean by the "1500-meter" when you talk about putting in up higher. Did you guys just hike up farther on a trail by the river? However, I do agree that with the clean water and exciting falls and rapids (and the beach), Rio d'Oro is one of the nicest short class V runs to do in the area (and in Mexico).
Rocky

We were in touch with Tom ( he lives south of Veracruz) and he told us he hadn't done either and didn't know anyone who had. I missed the race last year I was home for the number 5 childs birth I am goin to call her caboose cause she is the last one I'm havin, well with this wife anyway. Yes both of the small two falls on Rio de Oro are good to go and it does empty out into the gulf just south but with in sight of Roca Pardia

Sounds like the wrong Tom. This one has a kayak school near great falls and the first decent of the same.

Still at it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPFN-xN0vBM

I'd be interested in the one who lives south of Veracruz.

Saludos,

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:26 am

Well I never saw him but I talked to him and he sounded like the same one . You know it is possible to have two houses.