Has anyone converted one of these I wonder? Hue volume, funny little fold away skeg thing, bulkhead in the back with access hatch. Not much rocker so probably reasonably fast (well, I say fast, you know what I mean)
http://www.liquidlogickayaks.com/remix_xp10.cfm
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marclamenace
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Strange idea. I love kilts myself but at that point, you may just be better with an open boat. Then you can REALLY throw all your stuff in for multiple days, not just tidbits.
And if you think about single days trips, a C1 like the remix 69 would fit your lunch just fine.
Just my .02$
And if you think about single days trips, a C1 like the remix 69 would fit your lunch just fine.
Just my .02$
Watch out; that river has rocks on the bottom. 
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here's the video http://shanesliquidlogic.blogspot.com/2 ... anyon.html
no raft support grand canyon..now that's cool
no raft support grand canyon..now that's cool
Larry
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I had two yak friends from the Adirondacks who did a self-support trip on the grand canyon out of the XP10 this last summer. They were amazed at the stability and paddlability of boat even when fully loaded. It probably would make a nice C1, stable...might paddle kind of like a barge though.
If you do plan to use a mini-groover and carry it in your boat, my friends would highly recommend that you ALSO put the tube inside of a drybag and don't over grease the threads.
If you do plan to use a mini-groover and carry it in your boat, my friends would highly recommend that you ALSO put the tube inside of a drybag and don't over grease the threads.
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marclamenace
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Right, but what would be the advantages over, say, a good old ME or a newer Vertige or pocket canyon with a pump in it?Larry Horne wrote:here's the video http://shanesliquidlogic.blogspot.com/2 ... anyon.html
no raft support grand canyon..now that's cool
I love to downriver in my C1 but after a whole day, blood flow is getting low so can't imagine a whole week.
Not that I want to argue so much, but these guys in yaks are also minimalists. With 3 big 15 gallons barrels and some more stuff in dry bags you can do more than two weeks with beer, folding armchair, real food, fishing gears and pretty much all the stuff you want. The big boats are comfy and fun to paddle too.
Stinky yukkers probably did the whole trip on the same set of clothes. Real vikings, right.
Whitewater expeditions are now made possible for yakers through models like the Remix XP and other cies are coming with similar (jackson all river) but hey guys, we canoeists are doing WW long trips for hundreds of years. Not trading furs anymore but still is a lot of fun.
Again don't get me wrong; I love C1ing. Sure a C1 remix xp would be fun why not... But never doing the job quite as well as the good ol'boats for that purpose.
Just saying... Feel free to pile up on the dog doo.
Watch out; that river has rocks on the bottom.
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As someone who was on that 12 day Grand Trip and a C1er, I'll offer some advice. First off, I think the XP would make a fine C1. It is 10' long, smooth rocker that carries good glide and tracks well, and it is the most stable boat I've paddled. Imagine how nice it would be to have a skeg on a C1 as long as you weren't paddling super shallow rivers (and let's face it, long pools of flatwater are usually anything but shallow).
The whole trip I was thinking about how the boat would be a nice C1 for Class III-IV river trips. You would be able to put a higher seat in because of the increased stability so you could (marginally) increase your comfort.
As far as the XP10 and filling it with gear go, this boat is like a garage. While not a self proclaimed or even willing minimalist, I did go pretty light on gear. First of all, I forgot my sleeping pad at Lee's Ferry, which freed up some nice space. Some distracting, personal drama flared up at home while I was shopping for my food in Flagstaff and needless to say, that freed up some space. However, some of the guys on our trip had full on, three course meals nearly every night, and had food and room to spare. I dare say 12 days is up there, but not maxing the capacity of a boat like the XP10.
The "Groover in the centerwall" idea worked like a charm. Ours were 18" long, 5" PVC pipe that would half fill with large steaming pile of dog doo and the other half with toilet paper, charcoal, hand sanitizer, etc. We developed a little foam plug to seperate the two compartments, and individually wrapped each turd in a plastic bag (which I'm not entirely sure is legal so take that with a grain of salt and don't bust my balls on it). Well, individually wrapped draws funny images in my mind, let's say you do the deed in a bag, tie it up, and voile! your turd(s) is self contained. If anyone has any questions about our trip, feel free to ask.
That was my first trip down the grand and I would recommend it to anyone. Having not done a raft support trip, I'm biased towards the kayak/canoe self support method, but it was an amazing experience. It keeps you busy all day, your totally self sufficient (which is gratifying), and you get to surf all kinds of waves. We lucked out with great weather, no rain, and mellow temps the whole time. The only thing I didn't have enough of was whisky. Next time...
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The whole trip I was thinking about how the boat would be a nice C1 for Class III-IV river trips. You would be able to put a higher seat in because of the increased stability so you could (marginally) increase your comfort.
As far as the XP10 and filling it with gear go, this boat is like a garage. While not a self proclaimed or even willing minimalist, I did go pretty light on gear. First of all, I forgot my sleeping pad at Lee's Ferry, which freed up some nice space. Some distracting, personal drama flared up at home while I was shopping for my food in Flagstaff and needless to say, that freed up some space. However, some of the guys on our trip had full on, three course meals nearly every night, and had food and room to spare. I dare say 12 days is up there, but not maxing the capacity of a boat like the XP10.
The "Groover in the centerwall" idea worked like a charm. Ours were 18" long, 5" PVC pipe that would half fill with large steaming pile of dog doo and the other half with toilet paper, charcoal, hand sanitizer, etc. We developed a little foam plug to seperate the two compartments, and individually wrapped each turd in a plastic bag (which I'm not entirely sure is legal so take that with a grain of salt and don't bust my balls on it). Well, individually wrapped draws funny images in my mind, let's say you do the deed in a bag, tie it up, and voile! your turd(s) is self contained. If anyone has any questions about our trip, feel free to ask.
That was my first trip down the grand and I would recommend it to anyone. Having not done a raft support trip, I'm biased towards the kayak/canoe self support method, but it was an amazing experience. It keeps you busy all day, your totally self sufficient (which is gratifying), and you get to surf all kinds of waves. We lucked out with great weather, no rain, and mellow temps the whole time. The only thing I didn't have enough of was whisky. Next time...
-Will
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you are definitely on to something there, but you missed out on minimalist experiences like this...
[img]http://tdub.tv/will/pics/IMG_0388.JPG[/img]
AND, we had people do the grunt work for us. All we needed were some GPS coordinates and a picture. Alcoholic Geocaching at it's finest...
[img]http://tdub.tv/will/pics/IMG_0599.JPG[/img]
I didn't pick the Labatts, so don't get too proud there Canadians
[img]http://tdub.tv/will/pics/IMG_0388.JPG[/img]
AND, we had people do the grunt work for us. All we needed were some GPS coordinates and a picture. Alcoholic Geocaching at it's finest...
[img]http://tdub.tv/will/pics/IMG_0599.JPG[/img]
I didn't pick the Labatts, so don't get too proud there Canadians
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Hey Mike
The XP would be a great C-1 touring overnight kind of boat. In fact I think it will be a great C-1 for bigger folks transitioning from open boat.
I know what you are thinking. He's not one of us but oh you are so right now, but I have always dabbled with the whole C-1 thing.
I just wanted to address a couple things. One the skeg is spring loaded so worrying about it hitting things in shallow water is not a big deal. It is designed to deal with that. If you hit something it pushes up in the hull of the boat. No big deal. I have fully run onto shallow rocks with it and had no problems. The other thing is that this boat isn't just about a 12 day self support trip. Its a good paddling boat in all types of water. I use it all the time for 2, 3 day trips on class 1-3 water. Lots of room, lots of storage, stable, easy to roll, and very paddleable.
I am psyched you all are talking about this boat as a C-1.
I think it makes sense unlike open boating whitewater.
Shane
The XP would be a great C-1 touring overnight kind of boat. In fact I think it will be a great C-1 for bigger folks transitioning from open boat.
I know what you are thinking. He's not one of us but oh you are so right now, but I have always dabbled with the whole C-1 thing.
I just wanted to address a couple things. One the skeg is spring loaded so worrying about it hitting things in shallow water is not a big deal. It is designed to deal with that. If you hit something it pushes up in the hull of the boat. No big deal. I have fully run onto shallow rocks with it and had no problems. The other thing is that this boat isn't just about a 12 day self support trip. Its a good paddling boat in all types of water. I use it all the time for 2, 3 day trips on class 1-3 water. Lots of room, lots of storage, stable, easy to roll, and very paddleable.
I am psyched you all are talking about this boat as a C-1.
I think it makes sense unlike open boating whitewater.
Shane
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Hey Shane, how well does the boat carve compared to the remix and also would running drops be pushing the boat too far, like Tellico for instance. I can roll my Ocoee so would this boat be easier in comparrison. Been looking at this boat for a while now but people just laugh when I mention it. Maybe the boat is under rated. I know its not a full blown creeker but it seems like a good starting point to transition from canoe to c-1. It would be a lot better than a Cascade wouldnt it thanks for any input D-Captionshanebenedict wrote:Hey Mike
The XP would be a great C-1 touring overnight kind of boat. In fact I think it will be a great C-1 for bigger folks transitioning from open boat.
I know what you are thinking. He's not one of us but oh you are so right now, but I have always dabbled with the whole C-1 thing.
I just wanted to address a couple things. One the skeg is spring loaded so worrying about it hitting things in shallow water is not a big deal. It is designed to deal with that. If you hit something it pushes up in the hull of the boat. No big deal. I have fully run onto shallow rocks with it and had no problems. The other thing is that this boat isn't just about a 12 day self support trip. Its a good paddling boat in all types of water. I use it all the time for 2, 3 day trips on class 1-3 water. Lots of room, lots of storage, stable, easy to roll, and very paddleable.
I am psyched you all are talking about this boat as a C-1.
I think it makes sense unlike open boating whitewater.
Shane
Hey Shane. Great that you've responded to this. What's the hull shape like in terms of planing vs displacement? and like d-caption, be interesting to know how it carves and what the edges are like.
I asked the question since I paddle a large boat as a c1 (prijon hercules) but am looking at replacing it with an everest, so whilst my initial post was kind of tongue in cheek it was semi-serious. The lack of rocker suggests it wouldn't be ideal as a creek boat, it's more of a river runner, but any comments you have on that, please go ahead. I'm in the UK and I guess there aren't too many XP10s here to look at.
You may also be interested in the long thread "last gasp for c1 design" further down the page, and judging by the responses to that, there may be a (relatively small) market for a specialised PE C1, perhaps its something you guys would consider?
I asked the question since I paddle a large boat as a c1 (prijon hercules) but am looking at replacing it with an everest, so whilst my initial post was kind of tongue in cheek it was semi-serious. The lack of rocker suggests it wouldn't be ideal as a creek boat, it's more of a river runner, but any comments you have on that, please go ahead. I'm in the UK and I guess there aren't too many XP10s here to look at.
You may also be interested in the long thread "last gasp for c1 design" further down the page, and judging by the responses to that, there may be a (relatively small) market for a specialised PE C1, perhaps its something you guys would consider?
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I have to admit that I never paddled a Cascade. I did the full transition from Gyromax to kayaks made into C-1s. My next C-1 was a Whip-It. The XP is 10 feet. It feels easy to handle to me. Yes its a big boat but its not a canoe at all.
I really do think that the XP would be a great transition from open boat. It is easy to roll amongst kayaks. Its much easier to roll than any canoe. I have taken it on some drops but that has only been limited by me. I would not hesitate to take it down the Tellico as a C-1.
The Cockpit is very large so it won't feel tight at all. The one thing I would consider is securing the hatch more solidly to run drops. I put a cam strap system over the hatch to solidify it for drops.
If you can I would jump in one as a kayak and just paddle it around and see how it feels.
Cheers
Shane
I really do think that the XP would be a great transition from open boat. It is easy to roll amongst kayaks. Its much easier to roll than any canoe. I have taken it on some drops but that has only been limited by me. I would not hesitate to take it down the Tellico as a C-1.
The Cockpit is very large so it won't feel tight at all. The one thing I would consider is securing the hatch more solidly to run drops. I put a cam strap system over the hatch to solidify it for drops.
If you can I would jump in one as a kayak and just paddle it around and see how it feels.
Cheers
Shane