All depends on the boat. if a bulkhead is quickly made, I'll use one, if not, I'll think of sometthing else. As far as hip huggers, it depends on whether I slide sideways in the saddle or not.
I don't need them in the Sith or Ceemweaver, but I had to put them into the Blunt.
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Lots of personal preferences when it comes to outfitting.
IMHO
promote safety (single pull release, free exit, feet room, etc. if decked: integrated with skirt pull)
adjustable (so that you can demo and try out boats, adjust for seasonal clothing, adjust for weight loss or gain, adjust for growing kids, etc.)
efficient (easy to get into, easy to adjust/do up, keep the paddler in the boat, connect the paddler to the boat for performance, etc.)
comfort (wide saddles are more comfortable than narrow saddles)
lightweight (including hardware)
ease of install and removal
other misc. features
allow access to bow and stern for storage, etc.
tie down points for quick access items (throw bag, water bottle, etc.)
etc.
Think of kayaking outfitting: what functionality is working for them/what are the commonalities of the various companies' outfitting.
IMHO
promote safety (single pull release, free exit, feet room, etc. if decked: integrated with skirt pull)
adjustable (so that you can demo and try out boats, adjust for seasonal clothing, adjust for weight loss or gain, adjust for growing kids, etc.)
efficient (easy to get into, easy to adjust/do up, keep the paddler in the boat, connect the paddler to the boat for performance, etc.)
comfort (wide saddles are more comfortable than narrow saddles)
lightweight (including hardware)
ease of install and removal
other misc. features
allow access to bow and stern for storage, etc.
tie down points for quick access items (throw bag, water bottle, etc.)
etc.
Think of kayaking outfitting: what functionality is working for them/what are the commonalities of the various companies' outfitting.
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Some photos and info in this thread......
http://www.cboats.net/cforum/viewtopic. ... ious#45353
http://www.cboats.net/cforum/viewtopic. ... ious#45353
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I have a full length saddle (5.5" in playboat, 7.5" in creekboat) with integral knee spreader, with a bulkhead over the top; snowboard binding thigh straps, bolt in hip pads made of foam on aluminium; and a liquidlogic ratchet backband extended upwards (and downwards) with minicell foam.
My playboat is the same, but with blocks on top of my knees rather than a bulkhead, and a foam backrest.
Creekboat has knee padding (3/4" of camping mat) playboat just has the grippy pads that normally go in the knee areas of liquidlogic boats.
My squirtboat has a 3" block-type saddle (with a 7" high, 1" thick backrest), foam kneespreader feeding into composite knee tunnels, velcro thigh straps, and as soon as its warm enough to work outside I'm mounting a cam-buckle (rescue belt) lapbelt too.
The creekboats are based on the LL spines, with the saddle strapped down rather than glued... if i'm pinned and stable, I can unbuckle/cut the straps (depending on how desperate I am) and the saddle and straps come lose meaning the bulkhead can move freely.
The playboat saddle is glued to the dagger spine which has been plastic welded in, and to the hull. The straps attachment bolts in using the bolts that would be used for the seat.
I'm considering making seperate summer and winter bulkheads for the creekboat (go go standardisation powers!).
For my straps, I use a pair of snowboard bindings, with lengths of 50mm webbing bolted in where the plastic attachment points would go, the webbing from both bindings then goes through one cam buckle, which seems to stop it slipping. The rachet strips are attached to loops of webbing about 4" long which are attached behind my bum.
I'm thinking of using a snap-shackle rather than a cam-buckle in the creekboat to make for a better one-pull system, but that would mean buying a second set of bindings.
Wow that was a lot of info.
My playboat is the same, but with blocks on top of my knees rather than a bulkhead, and a foam backrest.
Creekboat has knee padding (3/4" of camping mat) playboat just has the grippy pads that normally go in the knee areas of liquidlogic boats.
My squirtboat has a 3" block-type saddle (with a 7" high, 1" thick backrest), foam kneespreader feeding into composite knee tunnels, velcro thigh straps, and as soon as its warm enough to work outside I'm mounting a cam-buckle (rescue belt) lapbelt too.
The creekboats are based on the LL spines, with the saddle strapped down rather than glued... if i'm pinned and stable, I can unbuckle/cut the straps (depending on how desperate I am) and the saddle and straps come lose meaning the bulkhead can move freely.
The playboat saddle is glued to the dagger spine which has been plastic welded in, and to the hull. The straps attachment bolts in using the bolts that would be used for the seat.
I'm considering making seperate summer and winter bulkheads for the creekboat (go go standardisation powers!).
For my straps, I use a pair of snowboard bindings, with lengths of 50mm webbing bolted in where the plastic attachment points would go, the webbing from both bindings then goes through one cam buckle, which seems to stop it slipping. The rachet strips are attached to loops of webbing about 4" long which are attached behind my bum.
I'm thinking of using a snap-shackle rather than a cam-buckle in the creekboat to make for a better one-pull system, but that would mean buying a second set of bindings.
Wow that was a lot of info.
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Lots of info but that is good thank you pics would help too but I think I get the idea of what you are talking about.
I see that alot of people are using dashboards or bulkheads which surprises me a little bit. I just suck at making those things and I don't like how congested they make things. For universal outfitting I don't think they are great cause they are so custom, but if I did make a pedestal I would want to make possible to put a bulkhead in easily. How do you guys attatch them? Due you glue them in or just make them tight enough to where they stay in?
Another question if you are familar with the dagger pedestal it as plastic "humps" to keep your knees spread and you can glue foam for comfort or more spread. Would yall want something similar for the front of knees and outside of knees? Basically I am thinking the pedestal would have integrated knee cup type structure to glue foam to for perfect fit? What do you guys think? Talked to a plastic guy today for a while today!!
I see that alot of people are using dashboards or bulkheads which surprises me a little bit. I just suck at making those things and I don't like how congested they make things. For universal outfitting I don't think they are great cause they are so custom, but if I did make a pedestal I would want to make possible to put a bulkhead in easily. How do you guys attatch them? Due you glue them in or just make them tight enough to where they stay in?
Another question if you are familar with the dagger pedestal it as plastic "humps" to keep your knees spread and you can glue foam for comfort or more spread. Would yall want something similar for the front of knees and outside of knees? Basically I am thinking the pedestal would have integrated knee cup type structure to glue foam to for perfect fit? What do you guys think? Talked to a plastic guy today for a while today!!
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You know how I was saying about making modular bulkheads for summer and winter... I might try and make you a step by step guide of how to make a bulkhead; once you get the basic technique down it takes about 30 minutes, a test river trip and perhaps another 15 mins of fine tuning.xmas0c1c1k1 wrote:I see that alot of people are using dashboards or bulkheads which surprises me a little bit. I just suck at making those things and I don't like how congested they make things.
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Yeah, had a ring of bruising round my knees and under my thighs for a while, but the bulkhead took nearly all the force out by compressing.Larry Horne wrote:josh, you ever piton hard with that creek setup?
I don't piton often enough to worry about it
and should it come to it , I'd rather the outfitting failed and I fell out the boat than it hold and transfer all the impact to me.Joshua Kelly - "More George Smiley than James Bond"
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My best setup so far and belive me I have tried MANY...adjustable (forward backward) easy to get into and supertight fit for freestyle. No glue, no metal parts, two snb bindings.
http://c1freestyle.blogspot.com/2010/03 ... rstar.html
http://c1freestyle.blogspot.com/2010/03 ... rstar.html