what is a canoe/kayak

Mr.DeadLegs · Post by **Mr.DeadLegs** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:19 pm

Is a canoe defined by the boat you paddle or how you paddle it? I have seen people paddling canoes sitting down with a kayak paddle are they canoists or kayakers? I have seen kayaks paddled with people on their knees and with a canoe paddle are they kayakers or canoeists? I am beginning to lend more credence to the idea that if there is not a giant open hole in the boat it is not a canoe.

Shep · Post by **Shep** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:32 pm

If you are not running the class 5 gnarz in a boat with a hole in the top, (bottom when you flip) it is not a canoe!

Technically anything that is a personal, paddled water craft might be a canoe unless it's not. Obviously a john-boat is not a canoe. I would say any boat that does not allow you to kneel (not require, but allow!) would not be a canoe.

Shep

2opnboat1 · Post by **2opnboat1** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:44 pm

if you look at it and you think of Indians paddling it then it is a canoe if you look at it and think of Eskimos then i is a kayak

Larry Horne · Post by **Larry Horne** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:49 pm

They're all just shells untill they're outfitted.

Craig Smerda · Post by **Craig Smerda** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:38 pm

I used to race my Superfly with a kayak-paddle during slalom races for amusement. Kayakers get a wee bit pissy when you beat a few of them in their class.

Luke Hopkins used to paddle a C1 with a kayak paddle... he called it X1'ing and he kicked butt doing it. There used to be some images and I think some video on his website but I be darned if I can find it anymore.
http://www.localpaddler.com/index.php

I don't really think it's too hard to discern the difference between kayaking and canoeing... semantics aside.

marclamenace · Post by **marclamenace** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:01 pm

If ya double-blade a canoe you a: - weirdo

And yes one HAS to take as insulting the classic "What type of kayak is this?" about his C1, even a conversion.

If you kneeling, praying and single blading it up, then you a canoeist.

'nuff definitions.

philcanoe · Post by **philcanoe** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:49 pm

Shep wrote:If you are not running the class 5 gnarz in a boat with a hole in the top, (bottom when you flip) it is not a canoe!

Technically anything that is a personal, paddled water craft might be a canoe unless it's not. Obviously a john-boat is not a canoe. I would say any boat that does not allow you to kneel (not require, but allow!) would not be a canoe.

Shep

so what would this be....

... a Jackson canoe?

Sir Adam · Post by **Sir Adam** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:21 pm

To me you are "canoeing" if:

1) You are kneeling or sitting on an elevated seat (a few inches at least)
2) You are using a single bladed paddle.

There is "double bladed canoe paddling" too, but that's like using a single blade while sitting in a kayak.. kind of a hybrid.

C1 and C2 boaters are just lazy and don't like to bail:)

KNeal · Post by **KNeal** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:55 pm

Okay, so how 'bout them c-1 and c-2 sprint canoe teams? They have no seat for sitting or knealing.

Shep · Post by **Shep** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:02 pm

philcanoe wrote: so what would this be....

... a Jackson canoe?

It would be if you removed the seat and put in something that allowed you to kneel.

rockyboater · Post by **rockyboater** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:03 pm

Shep wrote:
philcanoe wrote: so what would this be....

... a Jackson canoe?
It would be if you removed the seat and put in something that allowed you to kneel.

I think there is a whole different category that is being missed because it goes without a name, so I'm going to say it "hybrids". The, something in between boats. I work in the bicycle industry and we have been down this road already. After many years of shuffling bikes from one category to another it was figured out. The same applies for boating.

rockyboater · Post by **rockyboater** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:07 pm

sorry double post....

ian123 · Post by **ian123** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:20 pm

If you kneel in it and use a single bladed paddle than it's a canoe... if there is a big hole in the top, its an open canoe. Objective criteria. "Looking" like canoe is not objective... it is just an opinion... you might as well argue about the meaning of life or who would win in a fight between the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy..

Even if some boats are "hybrids" they would be a hybrid between an open canoe or a decked canoe... still a canoe...

Craig Smerda · Post by **Craig Smerda** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:31 pm

Did someone say hybrid?

I never did try using it with a kayak paddle?

Weren't the first C1's derived from kayaks that they widened? I'm pretty sure they were... but I could be wrong.

If you want to see some neat old canoe and kayak pictures... check out Milo Duffeks photo gallery... I hope he posts more in time. No PFD's... no helmets... black and white.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... ?sk=photos

RodeoClown · Post by **RodeoClown** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:55 pm

I think the first c-1's and c-2's were derived from canoes that had decks added (a la Berrigan).

There's enough gray area that I don't think it's really worth arguing about.