Critical Mass K-1 to C-1, Hip-pads?

hammerhead · Post by **hammerhead** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:37 am

Guys, Looking to put hip-pads on my Critical Mass conversion. I am deeper in the boat than my others, so I don't think it's an absolute need. I was thinking pads could tighten things up, to help with roll&control. I don't see a real easy place to mount them so they are secure. Wondering if anyone had any exp. w/ that particular boat. I have seen some of the recent&past posts, which indeed helps...Peace...HH

Smurfwarrior · Post by **Smurfwarrior** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:59 am

I just inspected one the other day looking at conversion possibilities and I'd go without the hip pad unless you really have to have them... I figured it would be just fine without, but thats just me

hammerhead · Post by **hammerhead** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:18 am

Good advice, I might just try some temporary foam, taped in, just to see if it helps. The boat works great as a C-1 conversion. Paddles impossibly easy & is very forgiving. Paddles like a much smaller boat than it is, but you do have to "drive" it. My only problem is my roll,but that's me, not the boat. Peace...

Thanks for the feedback...

Smurfwarrior · Post by **Smurfwarrior** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:49 am

What issues are you having with your roll and what kind of outfitting are you using? If your butt is lifting off the saddle or moving around that will really hurt the roll. Maybe tinkering with your outfitting would do the trick.,

hammerhead · Post by **hammerhead** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:19 am

The saddle is the guts from a Dagger Cascade. I have added a partial bulkhead & it has knee/thigh straps. My butt still comes up, some. I am tweaking outfitting some to help with that. Currently it does not have footbraces. I guess thats next. My main problem is lack of practiceX3!

Peace...

Smurfwarrior · Post by **Smurfwarrior** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:47 am

I'd suggest moving the top anchor points for the thigh straps to a point equal to or just slightly behind your hip socket. Moving the lower anchor point closer to the crotch helps but frees up the knees a bit. With hip pads you'll still come off the saddle in an upward direction.

Craig Smerda · Post by **Craig Smerda** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:06 am

you've had that boat a while now huh?

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the first time I saw the prototype of that boat I thought to myself... "self... that might make a great conversion boat" and then pretty much forgot about it. it sort've reminds me of the "Y" which some C1'ers and kayakers actually love... I know a K1'r that has three of them (two are back'ups). most of the feedback I've heard since echoes this viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7964201&p=79585&hil ... butt#p79585" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

anyways... take some thick plastic like cutting board... cut the shape you want, stick it in a vise, heat it up with a heat gun really good on both sides were you want to bend it and bend it. then... drill some holes and bolt 'em down. I've used this stuff for several projects with good luck... http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.a ... &catid=705" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

good luck...

hammerhead · Post by **hammerhead** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:42 am

Smurf, I can see where moving anchor points back some would make a difference. I guess I'll just have to try it and see, but would moving anchor & straps back, also create more of an entrapment issue? This is my primary concern. The outfitting of the boat in the picture that Craig referred to in this posting, has changed for the better. Peace Guys and thanks for the info & ideas. HH

Smurfwarrior · Post by **Smurfwarrior** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:56 am

That all depends on your outfitting and your quick releases. To me, trying to get out of an upside-down c1 with hip pads causes my feet to get caught up between the hip pads and saddle. Remember that sometimes exits are no straight out but at an angle to the cockpit. My release system is such that I can release the thigh straps by pulling one tube covered rope that is attached just inside the front of the cockpit and then to the buckle. Very quick. Sliding backwards to disengage the thigh straps is a wiggly affair but I can manage. I also use a skirt that has a lap strap so even if pushed backwards in a pin I still will most likely be able to reach it to pop the skirt. All this info is just what I'm comfortable with, you need to find what you are willing to bet your life on. Post some pics when you get a chance. We all have something that someone else can learn from.

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