lash fit questions

[henryflipinger]

i am outfitting my new solo canoe and have purchased a lash kit from boreal designs and all the instructions were in french. i dont read french.

the kit came with cord, 2 vinyl d-rings, webbing for the bag keeper, and a clip that is to be screwed to the front gunnel. what i am having trouble with is where to glue the vinyl pads. i assume one goes in the middle for the big strap, but cant figure where to put the second. i was thinking it would be better with three, which i could buy another. i really would like to know how the manufacturer intended for the kit to be installed.

some pictures would be great.

[henryflipinger]

i've stumped the whole fleet.

[pblanc]

Most float bag lashing kits sold for solo canoes are intended to be used for a pair of bags, one in each end of the canoe. The pair of vinyl D ring patches is almost certainly intended to be to anchor each of the "keeper straps" to the hull bottom at the end of the bag closest to the center of the hull. You would cut the straps to fit.

Did the kit include some nylon triglides to secure the strap to the D rings? You need some way to attach the other end of the strap near the stem(s) of the canoe. If there is a carry thwart near the deckplate or under the edge of it, you can wrap the strap around it. Otherwise there are a ton of ways to secure a Fastex nylon quick release buckle, or a short length of strap with a nylon ladderlock either under the deck plate or to the interior of the hull right at the stem.

[TNbound]

What kind of canoe is it?

One D-ring is probably for the fore strap and one is probably for the aft one. Just a guess.

[henryflipinger]

Most float bag lashing kits sold for solo canoes are intended to be used for a pair of bags, one in each end of the canoe. The pair of vinyl D ring patches is almost certainly intended to be to anchor each of the "keeper straps" to the hull bottom at the end of the bag closest to the center of the hull. You would cut the straps to fit.

Did the kit include some nylon triglides to secure the strap to the D rings? You need some way to attach the other end of the strap near the stem(s) of the canoe. If there is a carry thwart near the deckplate or under the edge of it, you can wrap the strap around it. Otherwise there are a ton of ways to secure a Fastex nylon quick release buckle, or a short length of strap with a nylon ladderlock either under the deck plate or to the interior of the hull right at the stem.

the outfitting is for a blast. never heard of a tridglide. the kit did come with a grommeted webbing buckle that appears to be for fastening to the front thwart.

i am thinking now that the kit came with hardware for both clipping the keeper to the front thwart or vinyl d-ring two patches foreward and aft.

[henryflipinger]

What kind of canoe is it?

One D-ring is probably for the fore strap and one is probably for the aft one. Just a guess.

i think you are correct , i think the kit came with options for both. i suppose, i am to tie the lashing cord back down to the keeper strap pad or just dont bring it back to the floor. i would prefer the lashing tie to the corners of the bag and down to the floor.

[henryflipinger]

What kind of canoe is it? it is a Blast.

One D-ring is probably for the fore strap and one is probably for the aft one. Just a guess.

i think you are correct , i think the kit came with options for both. i suppose, i am to tie the lashing cord back down to the keeper strap pad or just dont bring it back to the floor. i would prefer the lashing tie to the corners of the bag and down to the floor.

[h2sk1]

i am outfitting my new solo canoe and have purchased a lash kit from boreal designs and all the instructions were in french. i dont read french.

the kit came with cord, 2 vinyl d-rings, webbing for the bag keeper, and a clip that is to be screwed to the front gunnel. what i am having trouble with is where to glue the vinyl pads. i assume one goes in the middle for the big strap, but cant figure where to put the second. i was thinking it would be better with three, which i could buy another. i really would like to know how the manufacturer intended for the kit to be installed.

some pictures would be great.

If you scan the instructions that are in French and post them here there are many on this board who can translate for you.

[pblanc]

This is a triglide: http://www.rockywoods.com/Hardware-Zipp ... ings-Black" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They are inexpensive, light in weight, and an easy way to secure a 1" nylon or polypro strap to a thwart or D ring by passing the end of the strap through the triglide, then through the D ring, and then back through the triglide.

The grommeted quick release buckles may be intended to secure the strap to the interior of the hull right at the stems under the deck plate. If there is no convenient spot to secure the keeper strap to, such as a carry thwart, you can drill a small hole through the Royalex right at the stems of the boat just under the deck plate and secure the buckle to the hull through the grommet using a stainless steel machine screw and nut. You could also use a short length of the nylon cord and run it through the holes in the hull that your carry loop goes through, then through the grommet, and tie it to itself under the deck plate.

The lacing is intended to construct a bag cage by running it back and forth across the hull just under the gunwales. Most people just drill small holes big enough for the 3 mm nylon cord to go through just under the gunwales. It is best if you space them 4" apart, but no more than 6" apart.

To position the vinyl D ring patches mark a center line on the hull bottom by measuring from the underside of the gunwale using a measuring tape. If you go by eye you will usually be off. Inflate your bag and stuff the end fully into the stem of the boat. Don't go by the length of the uninflated bag, or what the manufacturer states the length is as the bag will shorten up several inches when inflated. Position the D ring so that it will be right where the inflated bag ends, or maybe even an inch or two closer to the stem of the canoe. Glue the patches in with vinyl adhesive.

[henryflipinger]

thanks for the info. i have seen some setups where the lacing ties all the way back down to the floor, which i would think would be better. i am guessing this kit does not account for that. i had thought of drilling through the hull and attaching the grommeted clip for the keeper strap and then glue the vinyl pad under the bag. if i wanted the lacing to tie into the floor i thought i could use the 2nd pad and glue it in front of or behind the keeper pad. Or i could just go buy another and have two for my lacing and one for the keeper strap.

[pblanc]

Well, here is one way to do it: http://www.mikeyeeoutfitting.com/o_gall ... ntom-5.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

With this bag cage 3 anchors are needed at the end of each bag and a length of nylon cord describes a "W" shape as it runs from one gunwale down to the first anchor, then to a loop tied into the last length of nylon cord crossing the hull with a slip knot, then down through the central D ring, then up to a loop in the nylon cord on the other side, then back down to the third anchor, and lastly back up to the other gunwale.

But with only one D ring in the center you could still tie a slip knot loop in the last length of cord crossing the hull halfway between each gunwale and the central D ring and run a length of cord in a "V" pattern from one slip knot loop down through the D ring and up to the other. I have done this in some boats and it works pretty well when combined with the keeper strap.

[Paddle Power]

Can you find the instructors online, even in French? Someone will help with a translation.