Does anyone here use a C-1 back deck roll?

[TheKrikkitWars]

You're going to do a back deck, low brace roll,

You should be aiming to skim the back of the blade across the water on your offside, as you do this, throw your weight round, aim to look at your back onside corner, whilst throwing your weight to the offside. As soon as the blade hits water, apply pressure, once it passes under your body, knee/hip flick and use the presure from the blade to come up on.

[Larry Horne]

Party Trick. Though it does have much more merrit than a righting pry.. or whatever that goofy sheet is called
It's not even really a back deck roll... you still finish the same way, in a low brace, sweeping/leaning forward.
The only time I would do something like that is in a playboat, playing in a wave or hole, or if I otherwise got forced back somehow.
You're just way too exposed to intentionally do a roll like that in a rocky rapid. I feel more capable of taking a hit if i'm tucked forward...let the helmet take the hit instead of the chin.
I'm with the others who don't really do a setup, once you know how to roll, there's no reason for a set up unless you can see a rock thats going to rip your arm off if you extend it... maybe then you tuck and wait a second. most times though, i just try to keep the momentum going.

[jrsh92]

I'm going to try to get some footage of the back deck roll I'm using now (maybe along with my normal roll and an offside if I can get the offside to work at least a little more reliably), maybe get some advice? It should also be an okay demonstration for ncdavid or whoever else is interested... I skim long the offside a LOT more than the guy in the CUFly does, he's hitting the water almost upside down already... it may have something to do with the CUFly being a solid 3 feet shorter than my boat (might have a lot to do with that), but he is almost all the way around purely due to momentum and body twist before his paddle even hits the water. The way I do it looks more like the kayak rodeo roll where the paddle starts on the offside of the boat and comes all the way around... I do start closer to the back of the boat by far but not as much as that video in the OC-1...

[KNeal]

When flipping to your off-side, definitely dive your body and paddle to the stern and around to the other side (kinda like a belly flop while leading with your chest). The torque you generate with your torso twist will keep the momentum going. Keep sweeping the blade as high up (and out of) the water and you can reach. Then it's a simple matter of snapping the low brace and throwing your hips. Voila! Instant back-deck roll! Nobody on cboats is gonna impress me with a back deck roll until I see video of the boater's helmet staying above the water THE WHOLE TIME he/she is rolling. And that can be done!

Scott B. showed, in his video, the off-side bow deck roll which is even faster. That move can be done with the paddle in front of you instead of sweeping it all the way out so you actually stay on the bow the whole time. I've done that in open boats as well as my decked boats. The way I developed it was to keep doing sets of 5 rolls in a row and see how fast I could nail them. Learned that from our beloved David M. (one of the originators of our forum).!

KNeal

[sbroam]

Scott B. showed, in his video, the off-side bow deck roll which is even faster. That move can be done with the paddle in front of you instead of sweeping it all the way out so you actually stay on the bow the whole time. I've done that in open boats as well as my decked boats. The way I developed it was to keep doing sets of 5 rolls in a row and see how fast I could nail them. Learned that from our beloved David M. (one of the originators of our forum).!

KNeal

Huh?! I'm doing what? You sure you're looking at my video?

[KNeal]

Check your PM.



KNeal

[TheKrikkitWars]

Nobody on cboats is gonna impress me with a back deck roll until I see video of the boater's helmet staying above the water THE WHOLE TIME he/she is rolling. And that can be done!

Done it in my C1, twas weird I ended up doing it much more slowly. Don't think I have a hope in hades of doing it in my Fly through.

[jrsh92]

I feel like the Atom's too long to get the head above the water the whole time... can people do that in an almost 10 foot boat? Or is it more of a short playboat trick?

[sbroam]

It probably has as much to do with weight as anything - Kent Ford showed it in the C-1 challenge in a slalom boat. That was 4 meters at the time.

[KNeal]

I've done it in my Atom on a COOOOLD winter day (cool to a Canadian ). Kept my helmet, eyes, and nose above the water the whole time. Something about frigid water serving as an incentive to do that. And the KrikketWars is correct in that the movement does slow down some. I learned it from a slalom racer, so length is not the issue in being successful.

KNeal

[philcanoe]

Does anyone here use a C-1 back deck roll?

...nawh the papers kept getting wet.

[dgmonster]

Back deck is the role I use 98% of the time. I can role in very shallow water and it is about 3X faster then a front deck role. If you are a play boater, you are more likely to stay in a hole. I might have some video somewhere.


--dave