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Longboatin wrote:Ive noticed two terms or concepts, bandied around the forum here lately that Im not sure i understand
1. edge to edge transition - like this has something to do w/ hull design, besides maybe width?

2. Whether a boat has "sharp" chines. - eg. milkman's suprise that the prelude eddy turns well even with its lack of sharp shines. Are we just going by appearances here? Because I'd have to suggest that even the roundest hull has edges.

I believe what he was refering on the edge to edge was engaging the chines on either side of the boat while surfing or ferrying. My Ocoee handled that way...you steered it with your knees as much as with the paddle. In a ferry you would engage the upstream edge and zoom across the current, then drop the opposite edge to stop the ferry (or surf back across).

I agree that every boat has edges, they just come into play at different points according to boat shape and load.

marclamenace wrote:Open boats are not like decked one. You won't throw a cartwheel out of even a small maxim now would you?

I'm willing to disprove you on that one, I just need a video camera, my prelude and a very big hole!

I'm willing to disprove you on that one, I just need a video camera, my prelude and a very big hole!

Right on! I was actually hoping for someone to answer that.

Go big bud! Just try to be convincing (and willingful!) than that other guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX1qd3hSwxE

Watching that video I'm suprised to note that the mythical "Lava Falls" is actually somewhat smaller than Silverback or Ithanda on the Nile

Jscot - ok engaging side to side - that what I was thinking - in the longboat I can paddle a steady forward stroke on one side and steer the boat around all day just by leans - However I really doubt one could tell the difference in effort it might take to get from max one side to max the other side w/ a particular hull design, eg. round vs flat bottom. I imagine effort would basically differ w/ hull width.

Longboatin wrote:Jscot - ok engaging side to side - that what I was thinking - in the longboat I can paddle a steady forward stroke on one side and steer the boat around all day just by leans - However I really doubt one could tell the difference in effort it might take to get from max one side to max the other side w/ a particular hull design, eg. round vs flat bottom. I imagine effort would basically differ w/ hull width.

....you really need to start this in it's own thread. You might label it, I'll argue - till the sun goes down.... (pleaase)

Oh phil - dont start bashin me for trying to ask a question. Save your rage for beatin those indentured folk you deep souties use to haul your equipment to an from the river.

cool... although I usually don't mind a bit of tongue lashing.

BTW we don't use indentured servitude much these days... we got these Mexicans from across the border now days, and they work a lot harder, are quite a bit smarter, and go back home when the jobs done. Plus when they get mad at you - it's in Spanish, which is something I can almost understand. (alright hold the anger - i'm I'tal go ahead at take u're best shot)

... indentured folk ...

We can certainly appreciate that. Which is mainly why we keep our tabarnak-filled fancy language and farty poutine diet - to keep the surroundings clean o' those what-he-says foreigners.

Oh and yes, I certainly would feel better now - boating than writing about it in that cold season we already enjoy around. But as long as we all manage to keep the S word away I guess we aren't doing too bad yet - are we not? Kindly drop in and punch these holes for me while it's your turn southern trashtalkers.

wetnobby wrote:That'll be the Quake if remember correctly then Scott...

The Ovation was the boat with the ghost chines...

What are people's thoughts on the Quake? I paddled with a guy in one on the Farmington about a month ago, he says it's pretty stable, easy to roll, boofs great (that makes sense... to me it looked like a long skinny beach ball! Huge volume), but he says it's pretty wet. How does something with so much volume to bounce up on top of anything get water coming in over the bow? I can see that once the bow's pointing into the water off a drop or into a hole, there isn't much to stop water pouring into the cockpit. On the other hand, the bow's really big so I'd think it would stay clear of the water most of the time?

Actually, what makes any boat paddle wetter or drier? I know the Nitro with a roundish bow is extremely dry-- it just crashes right over stuff, too much volume to sink and too much height at the bow for waves to break over it-- compared to the Spark with a smaller bow that will just bury itself in a hole if you're not careful...
On the other hand, with the Spark, a boof stoke as you hit a hole will boost the bow right on over it and you'll stay completely dry. When people talk about dry boats, do they usually mean? The Nitro can just bounce on down the river without taking on water, but some faster lighter boats can be paddled without taking on much water if the paddler concentrates on it... and a fast maneuverable boat is going to be easier to avoid the features that would otherwise swamp you, right?

I could not believe how stable the Quake is! Unfortunately, I also couldn't believe how heavy and slow it is! It's kinda interesting, but I certainly don't love it. There's better boats for most things.

Pat.

What are people's thoughts on the Quake?

Fun boat, impressively stable for such a small thing. I think it is great to try it, learn first hand to cope with smaller boats, but to own one you would be looking for something else pretty quick...

How does something with so much volume to bounce up on top of anything get water coming in over the bow?

I do find it special too. But look at how the shape of the bottom evolves going towards the bow. Lots of rocker and moreover, narrows quickly. That's why it digs through stuff I would think.

That's one of the many things I like about my Remix: lots of rocker in the bow but the design keeps a lot of its flattish bottom through moving towards the bow.

Here's an ultimate move from Fez trying to show the crowd its nice Remix's bottom. What dedication!



Oh and what was this whole thread all about again?

marclamenace wrote:

What are people's thoughts on the Quake?

Oh and what was this whole thread all about again?

EXACTLY!!!

maybe Adam can implement a page 4 rule... if the thread stays on topic for more than four pages... anything is fair game after that.

I had an undentured servant named "decker," but I could never understand a word he said.