How come some boats, like say the 11' Ovation, can handle "larger" paddlers, but some manufactures make boats for lighter and heavier paddlers, i.e., the Outrage and Outrage X??
I weigh about 200lbs and I'm about 5'10". I'm not fat or top heavy. Would I really be better off in, say, an Outrage X or a Probe 12 instead of their 1-foot-shorter counterparts?
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yarnell,
I'd say you'd have to try it out. I weigh approx 230 and im in an 11' Nitro. It's a big boat. I've also tried the Ocoee, it's about 11' and it tracks beautifully, and is about as edgy as the nitro, but it feels like it's about 2 feet shorter as it's much lighter than my nitro. I'd say try them, but I'd guess that the longer boats might just mean that you can go a little faster and track a little better than the shorter version.
I've tried the Dagger Phantom, and felt like a wine cork in that boat, bobbing around. A friend of mine is considerably smaller (155 lbs) and the boat handles beautifully for him. So I could see that size does matter for certain boats. But when you're talking 11', that's already a pretty long solo playboat IMO.
Cheers, Mike.
I'd say you'd have to try it out. I weigh approx 230 and im in an 11' Nitro. It's a big boat. I've also tried the Ocoee, it's about 11' and it tracks beautifully, and is about as edgy as the nitro, but it feels like it's about 2 feet shorter as it's much lighter than my nitro. I'd say try them, but I'd guess that the longer boats might just mean that you can go a little faster and track a little better than the shorter version.
I've tried the Dagger Phantom, and felt like a wine cork in that boat, bobbing around. A friend of mine is considerably smaller (155 lbs) and the boat handles beautifully for him. So I could see that size does matter for certain boats. But when you're talking 11', that's already a pretty long solo playboat IMO.
Cheers, Mike.
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yarnellboat
but why
I agree Mike, I need to try all these boats! 
I'm just wondering why Mad River bothers with 12 and 13' versions of the Outrage; and Mohawk with their 11 and 12' versions of Probe and Viper . . .
Have any large paddlers ever felt the Outrage or Probe 11 was "like a cork," if 11' boats are not considered small?
From a design perspective, what's the big deal about floating a wee bit lower? What are the rade-offs?
P.
I'm just wondering why Mad River bothers with 12 and 13' versions of the Outrage; and Mohawk with their 11 and 12' versions of Probe and Viper . . .
Have any large paddlers ever felt the Outrage or Probe 11 was "like a cork," if 11' boats are not considered small?
From a design perspective, what's the big deal about floating a wee bit lower? What are the rade-offs?
P.
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Hey yarnellboat,
Just scratching the surface:
When you are to heavy for the boat it will run a lot wetter. Also, you might get a lot more pressure on the sides of the boat wich results in a "edgy" feeling. However, this also depends on the chines (round or sharp).
Most boats are designed for a specific weight range where they perform best. When you leave this range, things like waterline length and waterline width change. Depending on the amount of rocker, the depth, the boat is in the water can change a lot. This can slow the boat down quite a bit.
See you on the river, in an open canoe! Jan
Just scratching the surface:
When you are to heavy for the boat it will run a lot wetter. Also, you might get a lot more pressure on the sides of the boat wich results in a "edgy" feeling. However, this also depends on the chines (round or sharp).
Most boats are designed for a specific weight range where they perform best. When you leave this range, things like waterline length and waterline width change. Depending on the amount of rocker, the depth, the boat is in the water can change a lot. This can slow the boat down quite a bit.
See you on the river, in an open canoe! Jan
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yarnellboat
west coast Jan
Hi Jan,
I see you're from the island. Please let me know if you know of any OC boats in this region that come up for sale, for cheap.
I do know of an Ovation for sale from the Victoria Canoe & Kayak Club, but at $1,200 it's about twice as much as I've got for boat.
Cheers, Pat.
p.s. If you and your people want to help keep a west coast forum alive, it's at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/westcoast-c-boaters/. It's a little Vancouver-centric, but we'd love to do more paddling on the island and south of the border. Let us know what's running on the island!
I see you're from the island. Please let me know if you know of any OC boats in this region that come up for sale, for cheap.
I do know of an Ovation for sale from the Victoria Canoe & Kayak Club, but at $1,200 it's about twice as much as I've got for boat.
Cheers, Pat.
p.s. If you and your people want to help keep a west coast forum alive, it's at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/westcoast-c-boaters/. It's a little Vancouver-centric, but we'd love to do more paddling on the island and south of the border. Let us know what's running on the island!
Hey Guys, My brother lives on Vancouver Island and I might end up visiting him at some point this year. Any recommendations on rivers to paddle? I've paddled the Nanaimo R. from the Highway to ..... (forget the name of the small town) with him a couple years ago, I'm looking for CII-III rivers. Any suggestions?
TIA, Mike.
TIA, Mike.
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yarnellboat
Vanc Island
Hi Mike,
I haven't paddled on the island yet - still struggling to get over the idea of winter paddling instead of skiing! But I hear there's lots of good rivers there when the rains come!
The reasons behind the above-mentioned forum (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/westcoast-c-boaters/) are to give people access to info on this region and to encourage paddlers from different areas & clubs to share info and organize non-club trips together. Let us know if you're heading out to paddle, I'd love to explore a new river!
The folks to get in touch with for info on rivers would probably be through the Victoria club at http://www.vckc.ca/.
Good luck, Pat.
I haven't paddled on the island yet - still struggling to get over the idea of winter paddling instead of skiing! But I hear there's lots of good rivers there when the rains come!
The reasons behind the above-mentioned forum (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/westcoast-c-boaters/) are to give people access to info on this region and to encourage paddlers from different areas & clubs to share info and organize non-club trips together. Let us know if you're heading out to paddle, I'd love to explore a new river!
The folks to get in touch with for info on rivers would probably be through the Victoria club at http://www.vckc.ca/.
Good luck, Pat.
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island rivers
Hi Mike,
I just paddled on the island for one season. There is some pretty good boating here, however, we do suffer from low water sometimes (like right now
)
Good easy runs are :
-Koksilah (upper: class 2-3; gorge: class 2-3+)
This one is close to Victoria which makes it one of our favorite runs (only
1/2 h drive)
-Cowichan difficulty depends on waterlevels. best surfing is around 100 cms, the highest i paddled it was 160-170 cms. After that lots of features seem to wash out and the eddies are between trees
-Gordon (lower: class 3, depending on level)
the Gordon has a couple of other runs which are harder but I did not check them out yet. Maybe this winter.
More difficult stuff: tons on the west coast, lots of creeks and normally tons of water.
There is tons of other stuff on the northern island, too:
Gold, Nimpkish, Tsable, White, Puntledge, Heber....
Check out the site:
http://www.coastalbc.com/kayak/index.htm
Let me know when you are on the island, we might also find a boat...
yarnellboat: I let you know!
Happy trails, Jan
I just paddled on the island for one season. There is some pretty good boating here, however, we do suffer from low water sometimes (like right now
)Good easy runs are :
-Koksilah (upper: class 2-3; gorge: class 2-3+)
This one is close to Victoria which makes it one of our favorite runs (only
1/2 h drive)
-Cowichan difficulty depends on waterlevels. best surfing is around 100 cms, the highest i paddled it was 160-170 cms. After that lots of features seem to wash out and the eddies are between trees
-Gordon (lower: class 3, depending on level)
the Gordon has a couple of other runs which are harder but I did not check them out yet. Maybe this winter.
More difficult stuff: tons on the west coast, lots of creeks and normally tons of water.
There is tons of other stuff on the northern island, too:
Gold, Nimpkish, Tsable, White, Puntledge, Heber....
Check out the site:
http://www.coastalbc.com/kayak/index.htm
Let me know when you are on the island, we might also find a boat...
yarnellboat: I let you know!
Happy trails, Jan