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weeMac wrote: Have you done any multi-day trips in your Rival?
I've been very happy using my Rival for multi-day trips on rivers with lots of class III and IV rapids. The Rival carries 210 lb. of me and 50 (or more) pounds of gear quite well. The gear does not affect the boat adversely in any way except it requires more effort to make it accelerate. That shouldn't be too surprising. Otherwise it maneuvers just as well loaded as when empty. It tends to be a little wetter probably due to less freeboard.

It does roll when loaded but it takes more effort to initiate the roll. Once you get it up to the brace part of the move the extra weight seems to act as ballast and actually helps to get you upright. Try to keep the load in the center and as low as possible.

I have a bilge pump and highly recommend them. The weight is minimal - less than 4 pounds - and it will make the trip much more enjoyable. It's not fun to empty a boat with a bunch of gear strapped into it. You pretty much have to find some dry ground to roll the water out. The extra weight makes it very difficult to drain by lifting the boat up and out of the water. I use a NiMH battery and have not run it out of juice on a trip yet.

The battery weighs only about 1.3 pounds and cost only $55 with the charger. I think you can get an extra battery for about $30 if you really wanted to be certain you wouldn’t run out of juice.

On these kinds of trips we typically portage the gear when running the big\technical drops. It’s a lot more fun and less stressful to do the big stuff without a load. Fortunately, the rivers we’ve been on have made this approach possible.

Photos of a trip we did last May can be seen here.

All of the boats you see there handled this 6-day trip nicely. For me, the Esquif Vertige seems an excellent solo tripping craft – particularly if you like the Rival. The Vertige hull is very similar to the Rival’s. It’s longer, taller and wider than the Rival and therefore drier when loaded. If you are comfortable in the Rival you will step into the Vertige and be right at home.

The Esquif Nitro you see on this trip is a fine boat too. It handled the load easily and would make a great choice for this kind of tripping. The Nitro has fantastic secondary stability. I often tease my paddling friend that the Nitro makes him look like a better boater than he is. (The teasing is also prompted by jealousy of his skill.)

Ultimately, just about any solo boat you can find will work if you can get your gear to fit in it. What is “best” is a matter of personal preference that can only be determined by experience in the model of choice.

Where are you going?

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Thanks for the info Geoff. Sounds like you’ve fabricated your own setup with a cordless drill battery. What do you think your setup weighs?

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Hi Dave,

Your posting was very helpful - thanks! Looks like you are no stranger to long trips.

Your Pukaskwa photos are amazing! Your portages look nearly as exciting as the river! Full dry suits, snow and bug hoods…. A combination I wasn’t aware existed. Do you guys have frost-proof skeeters up there? Some of those drops made my stomach wiggly. Looks like a beautiful river. Yes, I’m getting the picture of the need for a bilge pump. What brand do you use?

And those dry barrels look cool. Where do you find them?

As to where we are going… nowhere is particular, and nothing as gnarly as your trip in the near future. We will be on the Rio Chama (NM, 2-3 days) in a couple weeks – I plan to try out the Rival again more loaded. And a San Juan trip (Utah, 3-4 days) over Halloween. These are both class II-III. I would like to eventually be doing 6 or so multi-day trips a year with some day play trips interspersed. We like to travel so I can certainly see paddling up your way too. My goal would be to eventually be comfortable in class IV. I’m not sure I aspire to be going over the drops you guys did though. I think I’ll leave the waterfalls for my brother in his C-1.

Happy paddling!

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Dave,

Nitro, Vertige, whatever... doesn't look like any of you are short on skill - that's some awesome canoeing! I wish I could learn to paddle drops like that - you've got some great photos in there, a love the Viper's boof. If you can fit tripping barrels in a Viper 11, I guess anything will work!

On many of those technical drops I'm guessing you wouldn't want a bigger (tandem) solo boat like the Caption or VertigeX.

The Puk, eh? Looks like a good trip, except for the snow & bugs.

Cheers & thanks for the impressive photos.

P.
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more on bilge pumps

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Found an interesting article by Eric Nyre all about his R&D while developing a pump system.

http://www.canoecolorado.com/canoeing/bilgepump/

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weeMac wrote:Hi Dave,
Full dry suits, snow and bug hoods…. A combination I wasn’t aware existed. Do you guys have frost-proof skeeters up there?
I think we only saw one mosquito. Black Flies however were evident about 6 hours after the snow melt and were in full force by noon the following day. By "full force" I mean that they would make road kill get up a run away.

As to the full drysuits - the water was a balmy 45 degrees. Besides, the first day (it snowed that night) it was drizzling and 40 degrees. Perfect hypothermia weather. Drysuits make that kind of weather no problem. I love my drysuit, probably even more than my bilge pump.
weeMac wrote:Some of those drops made my stomach wiggly.
Yeah, me too. I make no claim to having run all the drops you see boats on. It was a good bunch of guys in that there was no pressure to perform.
weeMac wrote:Yes, I’m getting the picture of the need for a bilge pump. What brand do you use?
I built it myself after studying the Canoe Colorado project and the Rapid Runner Bilge System. What I ended up with looks very much like the Rapid Runner system with the exception of the pump. I went with the Atwood 1250 gph pump where Rapid Runner uses a pump made by Rule. The Atwood is rated at a higher pumping volume which is nice but the main factor was that it was available locally at a boat dealer.
weeMac wrote:And those dry barrels look cool. Where do you find them?
They are commonly refered to as "bear proof containers" or "bear vaults" and can be found a many sporting goods stores that have a "full" selection of camping gear. I believe REI has some. It shouldn't take you too long to find other options using Google.

Have a good time on your trips! When you start thinking about coming up this way plan on a springtime trip. A lot of the whitewater river running is contigent on snow melt and spring rains and the season can be pretty short.

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JHC, just get a friggin C-1 lol :roll:
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Taos Box

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Hey Tiggy,

How was the ark?

Taos Box is running now: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nm/nwis/uv/?s ... 0065,00060

500CFS at Taos Junction, this time of year, is about the minimum flow needed. The most accurate flow for the Box would be the Taos Junction gauging station (link above) minus the Rio Pueblo flow (http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nm/nwis/uv?08276300). Right now the Pueb site is down.

Slante!

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Proud new owner of a bouncing baby Rival!!

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I finally found one! Bought on EBay for $460 - brand new, never seen the water. And it's purple and made of R-lite. Good thing I have a king sized bed so there's room for my hubby too......
Thanks to all of you for all of your help and advice!!

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dafriend wrote:
weeMac wrote: Have you done any multi-day trips in your Rival?
<<Photos>>


That was very nice trip with beautiful pictures and boats reviews
Unfortunally kayaknorth site does not work animore, my be you have another link to view
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