Mad River and Mohawk

greybear · Post by **greybear** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:23 am

Just trying to find out if there are issues with mad river canoes and mohawk canoes as far as issues with royalex. I notice that it seems Esquif boats have gone up in price and I wonder if the royalex is any better. Any help would be great hope to buy a new boat this fall maybe.
Greybear

philcanoe · Post by **philcanoe** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:10 am

how's the US dollar doing lately?

greybear · Post by **greybear** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:49 am

Very true, I wonder if Canada is in the same shape maybe not. Do you know if there is an issue with the material though?

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:04 am

think roylex has changed that much but I know when I worked at Dagger, good old Uncle Roy would order the sheet with differnt areas of thickness, so when I would make a green Ocoee out of a ledgend sheet roy would very paicently explain to me that the sheet wasn't laid up for white water to which I would always reply but it will be green right? Run deep water and don't hit rocks and Roylex is as good as any other boat material, well of couse if you doing deep water and not hittin rock you could use glass.

kaz · Post by **kaz** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:14 pm

Speaking of Mad River, more accurately Confluence Water Sports, it seems like their composite boats will be made in China starting this summer. Just something I read somewhere.
JKaz

Craig Smerda · Post by **Craig Smerda** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:50 pm

kaz wrote:Speaking of Mad River, more accurately Confluence Water Sports, it seems like their composite boats will be made in China starting this summer. Just something I read somewhere.
JKaz

M/R needs a "bailout"

did Milbrook apply for it's bailout yet? you do really need to redecorate your office and the Millbrook corporate jet sure could use a tune-up... get goin' John!!!

marclamenace · Post by **marclamenace** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:35 pm

Last season I had two people in my canoe club buying brand new captions and they had problems with the royalex material being much more fragile than usual.

Sorry can't bring up much more details but it definitely looks like their quality has gone down to me...

I also saw a recent bell nexus on a river this year and dam the gunnels look weak... I think Esquif and Mohawk didn't change their products much and still retains the best quality material boat around I think. Saw a bunch of new esquif boats around and they look great. As for mohawk I have to say I see almost only old boats around.

Just my .02$!

jroneil · Post by **jroneil** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:47 pm

Mad river went up about $100 dollars per boat late last summer early fall. They had not raised ther prices in several years. They had no choice because of the oil. That is the information I got when I order my caption(Still not in yet) last fall. I still paid less than MSRP.

OC1_SURFER · Post by **OC1_SURFER** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:37 am

so when I would make a green Ocoee out of a ledgend sheet roy would very paicently explain to me that the sheet wasn't laid up for white water to which I would always reply but it will be green right?

Louie, did you make this boat? If you did, I wish you would have made more of them. I always thought that this Ocoee was the coolest one I've seen. Also, it was probably pretty light (Royalite?).

T.P.

Eric Nyre · Post by **Eric Nyre** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:07 am

Issues with Royalex aren't specific to manufacturers but are more of a Sparteck issue. Sparteck makes the Royalex sheeting for everyone. As Louie pointed out, different boats can have different thicknesses, but basically it's the same stuff used by everyone.

The thing you'll want to check is the HIN on the hull. After molding it takes Royalex about a year to fully cure. If you take a fresh boat and beat the snot out of it, she'll bruise very quickly. If you take a boat that cured for a year and then abuse it, she'll hold up much better.

Post by **sbroam** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:15 am

OC1_SURFER wrote:
T.P.

I thought that picture looked familiar - I took it.

http://picasaweb.google.com/scott.broam ... 1318475794

OC1_SURFER · Post by **OC1_SURFER** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:11 am

Yeah Scott, I know. I downloaded all of those old-school photos into my files. Hope ya don't mind. I really like to go back and look at the "good ol' days" once in a while. I've always wondered whatever became of that particular boat. I've never seen another one quite like it...probably hanging on someone's wall somewhere.

Terry

RodeoClown · Post by **RodeoClown** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:55 am

philcanoe wrote:how's the US dollar doing lately?

Compared to the Canadian dollar, it's up about 20-25% from a year ago. It's not that US dollar went up, it's just that we brought everyone else down.

c1swim · Post by **c1swim** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:56 am

Perhaps,...... Confluence is an evil corporation; only interested in making money, not a quality product.
They must be stopped, before they destroy everything that is good and holy.
Dagger; who started as a canoe manufacturer, MadRiver, WaveSport......................

Oh yea; too late.

jroneil · Post by **jroneil** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:28 pm

It also depends wether they use a female mold or male mold mail molds tend to be thinner at the gunnel female thinner on the bottom I believe mad river does use a female mold ( I got this from the dealerhe has been to the factories

C-Forum

Mad River and Mohawk

Mad River and Mohawk

I don't