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Louie
I can´t tell from the picture
but I think the boat is a Teal, not the hunter green I like, There were four Hunter Green one made and I had all three I now have two of them one is junk and the other one is my show boat it is in great shape and only used on very special occations, I also made three of the four blue Ocoee ever made I still have one, somehow }Doopey ended up with the one blue Ocoee that was made and I didn´t make it. I do remember the Teal Ocoee they were made out of a Royalite sheet and a few of them got turned into Mavericks that weeknd at the Ocoee rodeo when the AW (American Kayak) screwed over the open boater so bad. heck you should have been in Frankies shop that day skill saws, and routers were a buzzin. I was always just in the Rodeo to give my freinds some rest time in between their turn. So I just drank.
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boatbuster
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Don't expect new Royalex from Mad River to hold up
or them to honor the "lifetime warranty." It is not worth the paper it is written on. Better to spend hundreds less on a Mohawk than hand Confluence Kayak Corp. a huge sum for an open boat that is Mad River in name only. 
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openboater
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Taken from pnet post by Steve Shear
Confluence Moves Composite Manufacturing to China
SportsOneSource Media Posted: 1/28/2009
Confluence Watersports will be manufacturing the entirety of its composite boat program in China, effective June 2009. Composite boats from its Wilderness Systems brand will be manufactured in a family-run factory in Hangzhou, China. While ultimately it is a decision to lower the costs associated with manufacturing composite boats in the Easley, S.C. factory, the company said the move represents "the strength of commitment Confluence has to the future of paddlesports and to providing its dealer base with a stronger retail opportunity."
“This is a decision we came to after a thorough examination of its implications;” said Sue Rechner, CEO of Confluence Watersports. “Our initial cost analysis didn’t bode well for the future of composite boats. Now we see that this decision will enhance the quality of our composite program, enable a quicker turnaround and allow for a more competitive pricing schedule - all while bringing the cost structure down to a sustainable level. Through the process it became apparent that we weren’t outsourcing, as much as we were gaining a world-class partner.”
The company said the partnering factory have been making boats since 1986, including boats for the specialized realm of international, competitive sculling and rowing. With a host of international materials experts and artisans, the company is one of only four builders in the world to be endorsed by the International Federation of Rowing Associations (FISA). The company is an unequivocal leader in the composite market, Confluence said.
Confluence said what began as a financial decision quickly became an opportunity to strengthen this very important sector. The Chinese company has proven international experience with raw materials and well-established quality control measures. Due to its leading-edge understanding of composite materials, the boats will achieve up to a 10% weight reduction, without sacrificing strength or rigidity. Confluence personnel will inspect all boats before they leave China.
Of premier importance in the decision was the impact to dealer partners. Composite boats are primarily sold by specialty dealers and are an integral offering in the Confluence portfolio. Producing this sector in China allows for the program to continue and to be strengthened, in terms of quality, consistency, pricing and availability. Confluence dealer partners should not expect any interruptions in service or quality through the transition.
Confluence said a consequential result of the move is the freeing up time and space for the Easley-based, Confluence design and product development and engineering teams. Rechner added, “we have the strongest teams in the industry and this will give them another opportunity to apply their vast experience and creativity in taking the industry to the next level.”
Confluence's brands include Wilderness Systems, Perception, Dagger, and Wave Sport kayaks, Mad River Canoe, Adventure Technology paddles, and Harmony accessories.
SportsOneSource Media Posted: 1/28/2009
Confluence Watersports will be manufacturing the entirety of its composite boat program in China, effective June 2009. Composite boats from its Wilderness Systems brand will be manufactured in a family-run factory in Hangzhou, China. While ultimately it is a decision to lower the costs associated with manufacturing composite boats in the Easley, S.C. factory, the company said the move represents "the strength of commitment Confluence has to the future of paddlesports and to providing its dealer base with a stronger retail opportunity."
“This is a decision we came to after a thorough examination of its implications;” said Sue Rechner, CEO of Confluence Watersports. “Our initial cost analysis didn’t bode well for the future of composite boats. Now we see that this decision will enhance the quality of our composite program, enable a quicker turnaround and allow for a more competitive pricing schedule - all while bringing the cost structure down to a sustainable level. Through the process it became apparent that we weren’t outsourcing, as much as we were gaining a world-class partner.”
The company said the partnering factory have been making boats since 1986, including boats for the specialized realm of international, competitive sculling and rowing. With a host of international materials experts and artisans, the company is one of only four builders in the world to be endorsed by the International Federation of Rowing Associations (FISA). The company is an unequivocal leader in the composite market, Confluence said.
Confluence said what began as a financial decision quickly became an opportunity to strengthen this very important sector. The Chinese company has proven international experience with raw materials and well-established quality control measures. Due to its leading-edge understanding of composite materials, the boats will achieve up to a 10% weight reduction, without sacrificing strength or rigidity. Confluence personnel will inspect all boats before they leave China.
Of premier importance in the decision was the impact to dealer partners. Composite boats are primarily sold by specialty dealers and are an integral offering in the Confluence portfolio. Producing this sector in China allows for the program to continue and to be strengthened, in terms of quality, consistency, pricing and availability. Confluence dealer partners should not expect any interruptions in service or quality through the transition.
Confluence said a consequential result of the move is the freeing up time and space for the Easley-based, Confluence design and product development and engineering teams. Rechner added, “we have the strongest teams in the industry and this will give them another opportunity to apply their vast experience and creativity in taking the industry to the next level.”
Confluence's brands include Wilderness Systems, Perception, Dagger, and Wave Sport kayaks, Mad River Canoe, Adventure Technology paddles, and Harmony accessories.
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Do not buy a canoe from Confluence Kayak Co.
Why are they posting this big long screed about rowing frames on a canoe forum? It shows you how out of touch they are. If you are going to buy a canoe, get one from Esquif, Bell, or Mohawk, companies that are not mega-conglomerate corporations and that still care about their customers.
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openboater
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Other small guys...
Little old Millbrook Boats and Vermont Canoe.
Just saying.
Rob
Buy local, paddle global
Just saying.
Rob
Buy local, paddle global
open boat, open mind
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openboater
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Re: Taken from pnet post by Steve Shear
What's a mouthful of double speak...Confluence Moves Composite Manufacturing to China
SportsOneSource Media Posted: 1/28/2009
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“This is a decision we came to after a thorough examination of its implications;” said Sue Rechner, CEO of Confluence Watersports. “Our initial cost analysis didn’t bode well for the future of composite boats. Now we see that this decision will enhance the quality of our composite program, enable a quicker turnaround and allow for a more competitive pricing schedule - all while bringing the cost structure down to a sustainable level. Through the process it became apparent that we weren’t outsourcing, as much as we were gaining a world-class partner.”
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I'll be sure to add these to my do not ever care to own list.... Wilderness Systems, Perception, Dagger, and Wave Sport kayaks, Mad River Canoe, Adventure Technology paddles, and Harmony ... Personally liked the gibberish where they can form, outfit, package, ship, and get through customs a boat faster than they could make it in South Carolina. I personally know several good ole boy's in state that could design-n-have a boat quicker, not to mention some fine-folks from up North. Sadly seems CEO, stands for Cultural Exchange Officer these days.
...happy if they became Team-D'(funct)
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Sir Adam
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I sincerely hope this will be a plus for folks like PS Composites, Millbrook, and Murky Waters (not to mention Esquif) - I've always felt they built higher quality boats (most of them are glass after all 
), and came out with innovative designs. Now we all have another reason to purchase them vs. some mass-produced tupper-object. Not that there isn't a place for such a craft (creeking in particular)... but I do hope it helps the "local" folks stay in business... and continue to innovate as they always have.
), and came out with innovative designs. Now we all have another reason to purchase them vs. some mass-produced tupper-object. Not that there isn't a place for such a craft (creeking in particular)... but I do hope it helps the "local" folks stay in business... and continue to innovate as they always have.Keep the C!
Adam
Adam