Advantages of an OC1?

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:10 pm

Sorry I didn't see you were from Penn. that explains a lot tell Longboat and Lengty hello, BTW they don't understand either, also if you legs and knees are sore you propberly have one of those sissy <edited> pumps and you were able to go "hours" with out gettin out of your boat and strechin your legs, just like the buttboater

jscottl67 · Post by **jscottl67** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:16 pm

Ummmm...dude...

the great gonzo · Post by **the great gonzo** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:50 pm

Louie, you should spend less time on the internet and more time boating...

TGG!

Wndwalkr · Post by **Wndwalkr** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:39 am

Was that a Paradigm going off that rock? Now if only that knucklehead cold have stuck the landing... Nice post Kevin.

I not only have a sissy pump, I have two sissy pumps.

I have no intentions of jumping ship, it was just the first time anyone has ever asked me what advantages there were to the OC1 in ww.

I did think of one today - you can pee in your boat and then do a roll an pump it all out. That wouldn't work so good in a kayak.

Mike

gumpy · Post by **gumpy** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:17 am

I did think of one today - you can pee in your boat and then do a roll an pump it all out. That wouldn't work so good in a kayak.

while it is true most yakers pee sitting down, it should be noted that this would be ill advised in a c-1 as well

Craig Smerda · Post by **Craig Smerda** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:37 am

try doing this in a kayak!!!

http://www.chicagowhitewater.org/cwa/im ... nd-big.jpg

TonyB · Post by **TonyB** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:00 am

gumpy wrote:
I did think of one today - you can pee in your boat and then do a roll an pump it all out. That wouldn't work so good in a kayak.
while it is true most yakers pee sitting down, it should be noted that this would be ill advised in a c-1 as well

Wait till I get the perception saddle groover specs figured!

Complete with bilge pump flush system for long runs.

phreon · Post by **phreon** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:15 pm

Craig Smerda wrote:try doing this in a kayak!!!

http://www.chicagowhitewater.org/cwa/im ... nd-big.jpg

I just found me a new background picture!

Here's an advantage: you can run rapids in your big ol' barge with skill and grace.

Here's another advantage: if a (double bladed?) playboater is egregiously hogging a nice wave, you can *make room* with your 12 ft. long boat.

Phreon

Walsh · Post by **Walsh** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:36 pm

Open boats burn longer than kayaks.

Yukon · Post by **Yukon** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:06 pm

well for me I can put a dead moose into a canoe where it would never fit into a kayak. there is no better way to add stability to your canoe then add 800-1000 of meat into the bottom for ballast, but they sure turn slow and take forever to stop.

Canoes are part of being Canadian eh! Hard to make love in a kayak and according to the late Pierre Burton a true Canadian can make love in a canoe

Which is why I own several tandems as well as a Voyageur....

cadster · Post by **cadster** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:59 pm

This Bill Pulliam quote caught my attention:

"to someone who has never used a skirt, this remains the most intimidating aspect of kayaking."

I wonder if that's true for most whitewater open canoers.

Lengthy · Post by **Lengthy** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:45 pm

I wouldn't call this an advantage just a different perspective. Using the sides of the canoe. Much like deck boaters use the deck of the boat to manuver alot of the time you can use the sides of the canoe to manuver as well. Using waves to change direction or speed up and using pillows to change direction are some examples. Most pillow moves that really screw with deck boaters I find really easy in the openboat by using the side as another floating surface. Just a thought.

fleckbass · Post by **fleckbass** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:05 pm

At average water levels, I believe that an OC-1 is actually a drier thus warmer ride in the winter than a decked boat. A decked boat is already down in the water and doesn't have the hull to block waves. A cold wave in the face, eww!!!

Sir Adam · Post by **Sir Adam** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:51 pm

I like most of the discussion, but I do want to point out one item - not all decked boats are low volume, or short:) As such, the wave blocking, or staying "dry" in big water can also be done with a decked boat... it just has to be the right one.

I may enjoy my Cquirt boats most of the time, but early season, or late season, when there may be ice in the river too, I'll be in a nice comfy high volume boat:) Warm, and dry:).

To the point of why an OC1, or C1 for that matter, it all comes down to what you enjoy. I think there is a great deal of value hopping in different boats / different types of craft. I find CBoats easier, and more comfortable, than kayaks, but that's just me. I have a greater appreciation for what kayakers go through, and how much fun even a ducky can be (an absolute blast).

jrsh92 · Post by **jrsh92** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:28 pm

A group i paddle with every summer includes a yearly cycle of newbie boaters coming in and progressing... I was one myself not too long ago. I got hooked on solo canoe because it was more of a challenge but also felt more fun-- the first open boat I paddled demanded proper lean at all times entering and exiting eddies and threatened to flip whenever I maneuvered it... but once I realized how much I needed to lean to get the boat to behave, it was fast and carved beautifully. Running a rapid smoothly in a long OC1 looks and feels graceful.
The other paddlers i've seen who end up paddling solo boats over kayaks do it because they find it easier, though. I've seen a kid who's paddled solo canoe twice take a Nitro down class 3, unable to do much with the boat except keep it right side up... but make it to the bottom nevertheless. To a new paddler an open boat is a lot more capable of just bombing down a rapid, and also has the advantage of not making them feel "trapped" by a skirt... and once they've gotten used to canoe because it was less intimidating, that person will spend more time on the water, get more practice, seek more instruction, and eventually end up a pretty advanced canoer.

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Advantages of an OC1?

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