Is there a warranty on new prelude?

milkman · Post by **milkman** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:39 pm

I think it's entirely possible to wreck a brand new boat the first day you take it out and it won't be the boat's fault. Our sport has consequences for bad lines, stupid moves, and running things beyond your skill level. You can pay for any of those with a seriously damaged boat. Or worse. If you destroy a boat on something gnarly and swim away, be glad it was just the boat.

Dooleyoc-1 · Post by **Dooleyoc-1** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:51 pm

If you do enough class IV and V creeking new plastic boats will break. I've never had a canoe last more than about 1 year without cracking. I've destroyed 10+ preludes, spanish flys and superflys. You can always weld them up but if you run more steep creeks they will crack again... if I stopped running the green and west prong my boats would last a lot longer but those are my favorite rivers and they're close to home... if you run class III plastic boats will last 5+ years easy.

2opnboat1 · Post by **2opnboat1** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:53 pm

I once got a brand new boat 1500 for it 10 years ago used it for 45 mins. and it was totaled. Dont wait a year to claim it and dont blast it on the interweb before trying to file a claim, dont sale it dont even try and sale it. The steps that should be taken in my opinion:

Contact who you paid for it

contact the mfg rep

contact the mfg

Then post it on the web (but as a last resort)

Then cuss the manufature for life if they did nothing not accepting you claim is not a good reason if they have a valid point.

milkman · Post by **milkman** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:23 pm

Then cuss the manufature for life if they did nothing not accepting you claim is not a good reason if they have a valid point.

Huh?

I think you mean one should cuss the manufacturer for life for not accepting your claim if YOU have a valid point

Smurfwarrior · Post by **Smurfwarrior** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:16 pm

I translated this-

"Then cuss the manufature for life if they did nothing not accepting you claim is not a good reason if they have a valid point."

To mean this-

Speak ill of the manufacturer for the rest of your life if they don't make things right, but don't go complaining if the manufacturer had just cause to turn you down.

2opnboat1 · Post by **2opnboat1** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:56 am

if you boat like this NO warrenty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pYy_SaaZO4

Eric Nyre · Post by **Eric Nyre** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:30 am

Boat's aren't an investment, they're toys.

If your toy falls apart accidentally/ unintentionally, it's usually covered under warranty. Manufacturers/ shops will work with you on that.

If you run over your toy with a lawnmower, that's not the toy manufacturers fault.

If you don't think the toy is worth the asking price, don't buy that toy. Again, they're not investments, they're just toys.

Some kids can play with toys and they last forever, some kids know what the inside of the toy looks like 30 minutes after opening the box.

Unobtanium doesn't exist. Anything can be destroyed. The contest to see who can kill the toy first is silly. Your parents aren't likely to buy you a new one.

ian123 · Post by **ian123** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:37 pm

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:56 am Post subject:
if you boat like this NO warrenty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pYy_SaaZO4

That's pretty cool.

Creeker · Post by **Creeker** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:29 pm

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Sir Adam · Post by **Sir Adam** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:44 pm

Different perspective I guess - in all the posts so far, I don't see anyone saying they don't expect a warranty to only be 6-12 months.

What I DO see is folks saying if there's a problem, it's been covered.

If it is clearly someone abusing a boat, they don't think it should be.

If I purchase a car (a lot more pricey than a boat, and with companies with far deeper pockets than boat builders) and go off-roading with it and bend the tie rods and break suspension bits, quite frankly even with a "bumper to bumper" warranty I don't expect them to cover it - I'm doing something that is yes, on a road, but not really what said vehicle was designed for - I'm pushing it's limits, in your words.

I think it is important to realize that manufacturers DO want to help boaters out (and do as much as they can), but the economics aren't there vs. kayaks. And if you think it is tough in OC1's, try true C1's Far less CBoaters than OCBoaters out there, and given that some folks convert kayaks to paddle, an even smaller market.

"We" are all part of the problem - very few want to shell out the necessary $ for a new boat. Part of the "problem" is that the old boats have lasted so long (good from an environmental standpoint, and obviously overall good quality).

Perhaps it's just my perception, but other than a very few incidents of problems with boats, you don't hear much (quality of royalex and pinhole leaks being the two most recently). I know Esquif did right by the folks that purchased the Twintex boats.

The really nice thing about this segment of paddling is some manufactures make kayaks to make money - it's a business. If you are designing and building whitewater canoes it is because you WANT to - you'll be lucky to break even. I think that makes for a higher quality product, both design and build wise.

FullGnarlzOC · Post by **FullGnarlzOC** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:37 pm

I don't think it has to be that way. the whole "you'll be lucky to break even" ...

We as a community have to just strive for more as a whole... Take initiative and start getting out there and pressing ppl to try canoes.

Aside from that alll these 'extreme paddlers' out there, underground...just have to be led in the right direction. There are kids getting into new extreme sports every day....most get into kayaking because their friends kayak... The day this train gets on track is the day kids r saying... "i'm gonna try canoeing instead of kayaking. it looks awesome!! mom... if i get a 3.5 this semester, can I get a L'edge!?!?"

...If you build it, they will come. Just gotta show them the way.

Get that to happen, and boat cost will go down, more designs will come, perhaps new manufacturers, and a whole new population of boaters... a young hardcore population that will help accelerate the growth of the sport like it has never been done before. A population that will be around for decades - achieving new feats every year and putting OC1 in the limelight.

Ya'll can sit here and say....'that aint gonna happen'...or you can dare to dream big...

Sir Adam · Post by **Sir Adam** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:08 pm

I'll agree with you there - more folks paddling and buying new boats could equal cheaper boats - IF they are buying new. I am speaking to the way things are RIGHT NOW, not what we hope they could be.

"extreme" folks, as well as the not so extreme all need to be "converted"

If we all keep doing our part to be good ambassadors of the sport we'll grow it. I think that is one of the best parts of the overall community - most folks are always willing to lend a hand, let someone try a boat, etc.... Less egos and more open-ness vs. your average kayaker.

I do hope we'll have a group of "kids" who take up more outdoor sports - be it paddling, skiing, etc..... There are less folks doing outdoor activities (younger folks) than their used to be - just ask folks involved with local schools.

The trick is finding the fine line between getting the kids excited and yet not frightening the parents

. I think letting your paddling speak for itself, and backing it up with thoughtful commentary like Dooley does (and others) is a good way to go - but that is certainly just my opinion, and I'm a "yankee" after all

I've offered to folks on a few local boards to come try the boats, go for a paddle. Each year I've had a few takers, but not as many as I had hoped. But a few new folks that know how to roll, and are aware that you can paddle with a canoe stick add up over time

FullGnarlzOC · Post by **FullGnarlzOC** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:34 pm

I think the Cboats community is full of nothing but 'ambassadors'... the thing that needs to be remembered is - different types of ambassadors are needed for different types of boaters/personalities.

A Conservative, "I paddle for the scenery" boater - is just not going to be as big of an ambassador for young extreme boaters.

I think the general rule should be... spend the majority of your efforts converting those that you identify with, and can identify with you. For example... I'm never going to be able to identify with the conservative class II crowd, like I can w/ the young and the reckless.

Sure I can relate to anyone interested in boating/canoeing... Just find out what interest them in it in the first place...and run with it. But in the end, I'm not going to be putting out Class II videos, I'm not going to hold someones hand and paddle class II/III for the majority of the season... There's plenty of people that can take it from there and show them the way they want go to.

I believe my time is best going to be spend putting out 'edgy' videos, with 'edgy personality', as there is an unknown/untapped population of future gnar OC1ers out there, that just need someone to not only identify with, but help show them the way. After all, if I don't set my sights on appealing to that demographic(which I believe I do naturally)...WHO is going to appeal to them? Understand this, and understand why I insist on being the way I am. With that being said... I know I can still do that, while toning it down a bit.... but I just like to have fun sometimes...when the waters low

FullGnarlzOC · Post by **FullGnarlzOC** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:37 pm

If everyone starts to make more of an effort, and do what they can do... the possibilities are endless...

5 years from now, we could be looking at 2 more boat manufactures, a few more plastic designs, cheaper boats, and an ever growing population of canoers - people that will need our collective help to progress through the sport.

My goal is to find out the population of "Full Gnarlz Nation" and expand the hades out of it. IF YOU BUILD IT... THEY WILL COME.

and just to be clear - Full Gnarlz is not just big manky rapids... it is a concept of going full out effort in whatever you are doing. It has no limits to what can be considered 'Full Gnarlz'

Like... I'm about go eat myself a Full Gnarlz thanksgiving dinner...many of ya'll will be doing some "Full Gnarlz" shopping tomorrow.....you get the picture.

Happy Turkey Day to everyone.

Smurfwarrior · Post by **Smurfwarrior** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:54 pm

Tom- I think you used the word "I" 17 times in that second to last post. Thought we were talking about boat manufacturer issues not how cool you are. You're not the 'leader' of the OC1 push, no matter how much Creeker cheerleads for you. The actual leaders are folks like Dooley and Eli (and many many others) who are out there running the goods while being a positive example for others to follow. I don't think anyone should be browbeat or made to feel inferior simple because they don't or can't paddle an open boat.