Encore, Impulse, Rival, & Viper 11 Help

Paddling Moose · Post by **Paddling Moose** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:04 pm

I’m looking to purchase an OC1 for something that will make my local runs more challenging (Class II-III Western Rockies). I have extensive K1, rafting, expedition river canoeing, and guiding experience, so I’m not new to the river, but a newbie to ww canoeing. My options for used boats from friends & etc are:

Encore, Impulse, Rival, & Viper 11 (Starting in order of cheapest-highest)

I’m 6’2” and weight 200# - 220#. Will be learning to roll with it and get a season or two out of it, before upgrading to a more advanced design. I don’t want something too advanced to grow into; I’m a ski instructor and often see folks buy advanced skis to learn on so they don’t have to upgrade later, but these advanced skis really impede their learning curve. I don’t want to make the same mistake on my OC1 either!

I’ll be on Western style of rivers doing eddy hoping in rock gardens to big waves and big water; I’ll do a little playing, but mainly river running.

I would appreciate your thoughts (pros & cons) on the four available models for me to learn with and my intended use?

Thanks!!!

roaring-riverman · Post by **roaring-riverman** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:59 pm

considering your size. It's a classic that still has some fans so you could probably get rid of it easily when you outgrow it. Also, it makes a good solo fishing and canoe-camping boat should you need that in the future. On the other end of the spectrum is the Viper 11, the most nimble and aggressive of the bunch you listed. It would likely be challenging for you to start out in, but great once you get comfortable. The Impulse is surely the most stable and forgiving, but you're severely limited with not much room to grow. It's more for a true green newbie. You'd outgrow it in a month. I don't know much about the Rival. Someone else will surely weigh in on that one. Good luck!

pblanc · Post by **pblanc** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:03 pm

I have owned an Impulse and still own a Viper 11 and an Encore. I have paddled a Rival, but not extensively.

The Impulse is predictable and dry, but less nimble and playful than the other three. It is also significantly harder to roll, in my opinion.

The Encore is a great old design. Big and long by today's standards but relatively easy to roll and a good boat for larger paddlers.

The Viper 11 is a good boat for technical water, spins quickly, and rolls pretty well. It is a bit edgy (although less so than the Viper 12 or the Ocoee) which can give some people trouble initially.

The Rival is another good design and quite predictable and well-mannered, geared somewhat for a smaller paddler than the Encore.

If you really want to learn to roll in this boat, I might steer clear of the Impulse. Of the other three, the Encore would probably be the driest in big waves, the Rival and Viper 11 a bit more nimble with the Viper being edgy and the Rival not so. You might be toward the upper weight limit for the Rival and Viper 11.

ncdavid · Post by **ncdavid** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:13 pm

I haven't owned an Impulse. I love the Rival, Viper, and Encore. I weigh 160. If I were 210 lbs, wanted to paddle some big water, and had a chance to pick up one for little cash, I grab that Encore.

SlovenOC'er · Post by **SlovenOC'er** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:24 pm

We are close in size and I had an Encore for some time. Nice big water boat and predictable and rolls well without being a pig. I haven't paddled the other 3, but if you are seriously looking at the Viper, I'd consider an Ocoee as well if you come across one.

mattm · Post by **mattm** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:48 pm

have 2 Encores for my son and I , both 210 pounds.Got mine set up cushy with padded everything, and I can and have spent 7 hours in it w/o an issue. Love those boats. Basically i agree with everything posted above.

Wiggins · Post by **Wiggins** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:00 pm

What type of K1's did you paddle? If you like playboats with edges in your K1's I would get the Viper 11.

When I was looking for my first OC1 a little over a year ago I went with the Probe 12 over the Viper or Ocoee because I was worried about getting something too edgy. I found that being used to edges from kayaking made it easy to adapt to edgier canoe designs than what most new canoers would normally be comfortable paddling. It wasn't long before I started to miss having a planing hull.

Kyle

TheKrikkitWars · Post by **TheKrikkitWars** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:55 pm

A little bit of advice here...

So long as you're comitted to learning to roll whatever boat you buy; you can't really buy too advanced a boat to learn OC1 in... because you can always recover from a capsize.

This is at odds with Skiing (or Biking or Cimbing), where as soon as you lose control you have to stop and pick up the pieces.

Smurfwarrior · Post by **Smurfwarrior** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:03 pm

Moose- where are you located? I'm in Utah and have a Viper for sale. PM me if you are interested

Paddling Moose · Post by **Paddling Moose** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:22 pm

Smurfwarrior wrote:Moose- where are you located? I'm in Utah and have a Viper for sale. PM me if you are interested

Smurf,

We've already been in contact and your Viper is the one I'm referring to above already. I had a few other boat options fall out of the tree after shacking the tree a little among our fellow boater friends. I'm trying to decide which one would be best for me.

FYI, did look at your facebook page and noticed we have some mutual paddling friends!

Cheers!

Smurfwarrior · Post by **Smurfwarrior** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:24 pm

Very Cool! Small world!

Paddling Moose · Post by **Paddling Moose** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:27 pm

I'll call you in a few minutes

pyc1 · Post by **pyc1** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:03 am

Another vote for the Encore. The oldest design, but it's superb in big waves. Also given your size and the fact that it's the cheapest, it's the obvious choice.

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Encore, Impulse, Rival, & Viper 11 Help

Encore, Impulse, Rival, & Viper 11 Help

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